CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Jody Wheeler]

"Axanar Productions statement on tonight's announcement:

While we're grateful to receive the public support of JJ Abrams and Justin Lin, as the lawsuit remains pending, we want to make sure we go through all the proper steps to make sure all matters are settled with CBS and Paramount. Our goal from the beginning of this legal matter has been to address the concerns of the plaintiffs in a way that still allows us to tell the story of AXANAR and meets the expectations of the over 10,000 fans who financially supported our project.

There is still a lot of work to do, but receiving this kind of public support helps immensely.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CBSvsAxanar/permalink/1221100927901275/

 

[MikeH92467]

JJ doesn't run the C/P legal department. But .... dropping the suit as part of an agreement that allows LFIM to keep the studio could be very satisfactory on several levels: it would clear the way for those of us not trying to profit from the C./P IP to continue doing our stuff for fun and entertainment purposes only. It would also allow AP to show how much business acumen he reallly has. If that happens I willl be considering starting an over/under threat trying to guess how long it would be before Ares/Valkyrie or whatever they want to call it goes belly up.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

Anybody wanna make a CSI movie? or NCIS?

 

[Tommunist]

This was from JJ and not M Night Shamylan (sp)?

Yes, I quoted JJ from the Wrap article, but added my own opinion at the end

 

[Tommunist]

Anybody wanna make a CSI movie? or NCIS?

Price is Right: The Movie!

 

[Sgt_G]

dropping the suit as part of an agreement that allows LFIM to keep the studio could be very satisfactory on several levels: it would clear the way for those of us not trying to profit from the C/P IP to continue doing our stuff for fun and entertainment purposes only.

You find that satisfactory? The very reason most of us sided with CBS and against Axanar is precisely because he was building his for-profit studio using donation funds he could not have raise had he not tied it to Star Trek. The best analogy I can think of is political, so I'll leave that part unsaid. But why reward him for bad behavior at all???

 

[Steve Roby]

Time for Fast and Furious Cloverfield: The Fan Film.

 

[muCephi]

JJ:
“We talked about this and we realized this is not the appropriate way to deal with the fans,” Abrams said. “We should be celebrating this thing. We, the fans of ‘Star Trek,’ are all a part of this world. We went to the studio and pushed them to stop this lawsuit and now, within the next few weeks, it will be announced that this thing is going away and the fan will be able to work on the project.”

What a twist!

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I don't think JJ fully appreciates what an insatiable and out of control person Alec has proven to be from this project. Alec wasn't just making a fan film, he was creating his own independent Trek professional operation complete with Trek-funded studio, and selling and even licensing Trek IP himself. Way, way over any boundary of what "fans all in it together" would ever do.

A person who is willing to do such things will not stay within any bounds in the future, if allowed to have an inch. This WILL come back to bite whoever ignores this truth. Alec's basic attitude towards the rest of the human race and absolute requirement to always dominate will almost certainly wound the Trek community.

I have to assume that they understand this, even while saying they must not. So, it has to be a PR matter combined with perhaps a desire to gain more fan acceptance of 'nu nu trek' perhaps breaking with past Trek, by granting fans more freedom in legacy timelines. Shrewd if its playing this. It can't be for sympathy with Axanar's management process.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

Yes, I quoted JJ from the Wrap article, but added my own opinion at the end

We really need a sarcasm switch, as said before. . I was just making the requisite Shamylan joke (It's never as fun when you have to explain )

 

[CaptGrumpy]

Anybody wanna do a Lost or Alias independent, professional TV show?
That's ok, right JJ?

 

[RCAM]

I don't think JJ fully appreciates what an insatiable and out of control person Alec has proven to be from this project. Alec wasn't just making a fan film, he was creating his own independent Trek professional operation complete with Trek-funded studio, and selling and even licensing Trek IP himself. Way, way over any boundary of what "fans all in it together" would ever do.

A person who is willing to do such things will not stay within any bounds in the future, if allowed to have an inch. This WILL come back to bite whoever ignores this truth.

If JJ doesn't fully appreciate that, after Paramount executives no doubt explained it to him, then I have serious doubts about how tethered he is to reality. All it takes is a 5-minute conversation to highlight AP's most outrageous actions.

 

[RCAM]

Anybody wanna do a Lost or Alias independent, professional TV show?
That's ok, right JJ?

Of course. Jack Shepard isn't distinctive enough to be copyrighted.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

Geez, with this news, we could hit 1000 pages before the end of the weekend
/sigh

 

[Jody Wheeler]

It's looking like Axanar is in heavy "settlement" talks with CBS, not that CBS is "dropping" the case. JJ might have been...spinning a bit. :-)

 

[CaptGrumpy]

That sounds more likely Jody. Can I ask where you saw that, or supposition? I just can't see CBS and Paramount walking away. it's just not logical ( I swear, no pun intended)

 

[Nightowl1701]

You find that satisfactory? The very reason most of us sided with CBS and against Axanar is precisely because he was building his for-profit studio using donation funds he could not have raise had he not tied it to Star Trek. The best analogy I can think of is political, so I'll leave that part unsaid. But why reward him for bad behavior at all???

After all this public brouhaha, I suspect Alec's going nowhere fast with this studio post-Axanar anyway. Even if he escapes jail and impoverishment, the word's out - the man's name is mud in both Tinseltown and the Trek fan community. That 'reward' enough?

 

[dmac]

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jj talking here

 

[CaptGrumpy]

After all this public brouhaha, I suspect Alec's going nowhere fast with this studio post-Axanar anyway. Even if he escapes jail and impoverishment, the word's out - the man's name is mud in both Tinseltown and the Trek fan community. That 'reward' enough?

I don't think so. If J J and Justin Lin back him (and with all the Abrams bashing he did, I can't see why he would), AP could come out ahead.

 

[Sgt_G]

That 'reward' enough?

No. He should not get away with anything tangible. CBS / Kickstarter can't take back his $38,000 salary, but he should NOT get to keep the studio.

 

[muCephi]

JJ doesn't run the C/P legal department. But .... dropping the suit as part of an agreement that allows LFIM to keep the studio could be very satisfactory on several levels: it would clear the way for those of us not trying to profit from the C./P IP to continue doing our stuff for fun and entertainment purposes only. It would also allow AP to show how much business acumen he reallly has. If that happens I willl be considering starting an over/under threat trying to guess how long it would be before Ares/Valkyrie or whatever they want to call it goes belly up.

Shrewd business acumen? Its been a comedy of hubris at every point where shrewdness would have dictated a considered behavior that would have had the film done by now.

Shrewd self serving profit taking, maybe not totally destroyed? That might be closer to the mark.

Chances it would not continue that way after 'quitting such practises forever'? I give it 2 hours.

No. He should not get away with anything tangible. CBS / Kickstarter can't take back his $38,000 salary, but he should get to keep the studio.

I am sure there is lots of sausage making in the entertainment industry that no one wants to know about their favorite franchises. But letting a tentpole invader keep the business they funded with your IP has industry ramifications I just can't see them tolerating.

How long now before a 2 million dollar goal Captain America alternate timeline crowdfunding project gets proposed? Just let Axanar proceed and keep the studio. There will be IP-hijacking startups blooming all the way to the horizon.