CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Thank you for the response and being a big enough person to reexamine the situation. Let me make this perfectly clear: you did not make an enemy out of AP. You got a taste of how he treats EVERYONE and ANYONE who doesn't worship at his alter with absolute, unquestioning devotion. I was right with you at the beginning. I thought (and still do) that Prelude was interesting and entertaining in it's own right as well as a great teaser for what could have been a big project. I also was reluctant to believe that AP was doing anything shady or wrong with all the fund raising, but subsequent events and his own conduct proved that the "haters" were absolutely right. I support C/Ps lawsuit, because I have no stomach for seeing someone trying to enrich themselves in such a flagrantly unethical (if not illegal) manner. That doesn't mean that I am happy Axanar willl never get made. They had a great concept and many of the right people on board to do something really good. (Best Trek ever? uh,no) and that's really the shame of the whole thing.
And that is where a lot of us started and the more we saw or read on Alec, it became harder and harder to support him.
Fun facts:
Prelude to Axanar, posted on 08/15/2014: 2,222,902 views
CBS Star Trek Teaser, posted on 05/19/2016: 2,109,610 views
Star Trek Beyond Trailer #1, posted on 12/14/2015: 14,972,674 views
So, in less than two days the teaser for the 2017 show, which is nothing but music, animation, and words, has almost as many views as Prelude has had in two years. The Star Trek Beyond trailer has almost 7 times the number of views.
But yeah, Axanar is what "the fans" want.
Prelude to Axanar, posted on 08/15/2014: 2,222,902 views
CBS Star Trek Teaser, posted on 05/19/2016: 2,109,610 views
Star Trek Beyond Trailer #1, posted on 12/14/2015: 14,972,674 views
So, in less than two days the teaser for the 2017 show, which is nothing but music, animation, and words, has almost as many views as Prelude has had in two years. The Star Trek Beyond trailer has almost 7 times the number of views.
But yeah, Axanar is what "the fans" want.
I think the needle you need to thread is gathering information which can help readers assess the situation.
Alec is not really forthcoming about anything except the image he wants to shape about Axanar, and that image includes artifacts that present conflicts he refuses to respond to.
An example is his endless assertion that Axanar Productions is "non profit". "Non profit" as he is using it is clearly an attempt to appear to be in conformance with the general fan film guidelines from CBS that fan films "don't make a profit".
Alec asserts that all the money goes into "legitimate" fan film expenses, and so Axanar is "nonprofit". BUT... the studios and others question his definition of "legitimate" -- salaries, permanent studio for other purposes, selling unlicensed games, etc..
AND when questioned why he calls his for-profit company a "nonprofit", he keeps saying he is in the process of applying for 501(c)3 IRS nonprofit status, something that has not materialized in over a year and something which has to be preceded by filings in California which have not happened either. This further clouds the issue.
Alec's endgame in this question, for example, is to just keep repeating his definition and telling everyone else regardless of their experience in any aspect of business, nonprofit world, etc, that they are not legitimate commenters on the questions because they are not an Axanar donor, they are attacking Axanar, they are spending their time posting about Axanar when they should be working on their nonprofit's business, they are motivated by hate, etc, etc, etc. But NEVER addressing the content of the issues raised.
He denies there are issues, because he should in his world have absolute control of the definitions and the discussion and all actions he takes are by those definitions legitimate. And this I believe is the very essence of his conduct which has led so many people to have personal assessments of him which are not so complimentary.
Court is gonna rectify this strategy, he can't shout down or ban the judge.
The best thing you can do in face of this sort of behavior, I believe, is read AxaMonitor where there is an attempt to document what is going on. And refer your readers to it.
Alec might make some legitimate points to you, I won't preclude that. But you need to be aware that a lot of people have tried to reconcile contradictions into an acceptable understanding about this project with him, and he is very recalcitrant about the fundamental issues that led to the lawsuit in particular.
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Bah! Those figures are just down to Bad Robot and CBS employees sitting in a room constantly clicking on their respective clips.
You didn't make any enemies here, and Alec .... well he makes a new enemy every day. If he comes at you, it's not your fault.
there are indeed many ways to engage bad robots to inflate your YouTube rating:
https://newrepublic.com/article/121551/bot-bubble-click-farms-have-inflated-social-media-currency
The only thing I have to add about the Audioholics article is that clear, concise writing backed by the facts make an opinion piece much easier to read. Sensationalism and hearsay, wrapped in vitriol, have no chance of swaying me to the author's side.
Yes.
Well obviously the trailers put out by CBS and Paramount will have more views, they've got a much bigger publicity apparatus than an independently made Star Tr-I mean "fan" film. Besides, those trailers are being made for the masses, they're designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Axanar on the other hand is being made for true Star Trek fans, who want a film that is in line with Gene's Vision. This has been proven repeatedly, with Axanar's story about a really cool war with Klingons, centered on a character from a mediocre episode of The Original Series, and the use of modified ship models from those movies made for the unwashed masses.
So Axanar might have less views, but that's okay. Those views are from true fans of Star Trek.
And this is all about the fans.
Was that permanent? Or just for a short while to give him a shot across the bow?? If it's against policy to say, that's fine.
Yikes! The power of the permaban! Well there goes that idea of taking you in the back room and slapping you till your green in the face.
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Thank you for doing that. The sarcastic banter about Alec's public acts is less fun when mixed with inappropriate comments about someone's private life.
Admittedly, I only read to "true Star Trek fans" the first time and rolled my eyes. I read it again and guffawed!
It was beginning to be too much.
PLEASE...can I get some of what you're smoking as it's gotta be some AMAZING stuff....
Sorry, but as someone who's been a Star Trek fan since 1969 - I'm so sick and tired of both the "Gene's Vision" or the "True Star Trek fan" response as they are BOTH just BS. GR was never a saint or someone out to change the world; he was out to make a buck as well as entertain people (oh, and to bang every up and coming starlet he could get on his casting couch - at least during the original series run.) I said it in a previous post; but I'll repeat it here:
As for the "True Star Trek fan" give me a break. Divisions within the Star Trek fan community started WAY BACK in 1973 when the animated series hit the airwaves. Then came the TOS feature films, and fandom split again. EVERY Star Trek film made From ST:TMP to ST:ID has had Star Trek fans across the spectrum; some who think feature film X TRULY captures "Star Trek" whole Feature Film Y craps all over "Star Trek"; and you'll find Star Trek fans like that for EVERY Star Trek film made - Including the more loved (among the broad majority of ST fans ) STII:TWoK and the much (IMO rightfully but YMMV) STV:TFF.
Hell, GR himself said he didn't think STII:TWoK was 'real Star Trek' because he found in "too militaristic." So, given that, do you really want to claim either "Prelude to Axanar" pr the proposed "Axanar" feature film REALLY follow "Gene's Vision" for Star Trek (given neither is a story about 'Exploration' but just a war story when you boil it all down)?
Hell, ask 100 Star Trek fans what Star Trek is about at it's core and you'll probably get 110 different answers - but ALL of those answers will be from Star Trek fans.
Lastly - go actually read the facts of the C/P VS Axanar case; and you'll see its not "all about the fans". It's about a company that's produced Star Trek for going on 50 years (in September) PROTECTING it's copyright and interests from a person (Alec Peters) who decided he wanted to make (and receive financial compensation for) a Star Trek film; but didn't want to go through the hassle of trying to get a proper license from C/P to do so; and further - duped Star Trek fans (myself included as I pledged $75 to the first Axanar feature KS campaign only to see for myself that that most of money went to either line Mr. Peters pocket/pay to start a for profit business for Mr. Peters; or to pay for travel/Con expenses as he flies around showing Prelude to Axanar at any/every con/film festival he can find) - so yeah, in the end this is more about the specific actions of Mr. Peters and not just "C/P out to get Star Trek fans."
So, again, if you still believe Alec Peters version of all this, I gotta ask:
Can I PLEASE get a toke off of what your smoking as it's got to be some REALLY good s**t!
^^^
(Oh, and if you're too young to get the reference, Google or look it up in Urban Dictionary; although the latter is probably not safe for work. Oh, and get off my lawn while your at it because this "old "True Star Trek Fan" is tired of all the 'true' Trek' BS.)
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