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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Well, I guess now we know the goal for Alec Peters next fundraising campaign..... He's going to buy Paramount so he can have the rights to make Axanar!
I'm assuming he's not that crazy.......
Wouldn't CBS still have a say in that? :shrug::nyah:
 
How, exactly, would the "Does" protect themselves?

Publicly quit the production company? That wouldn't change the penalties for violations of copyright that they have already committed.

Settle privately with CBS? What would CBS require them to do - disavow, provide evidence, something else?
The Does couldn't provide much more evidence than is publicly available or isn't already on file at CBS.

I don't see too many options for the Does other to quietly walk away and hope that CBS is sated by the settlement with Axanar Productions.

Another thing to, even if you didn't immediately jump ship once the cannon from CBS/P was fired ... you could create a settlement on your own that would turn you into a witness for the plaintiff, or even provide further evidence to the plaintiff (like emails and such), with an agreement from the other side they will not seek financial penalties, nor blacklist you from future CBS/Viacom projects.
 
Another thing to, even if you didn't immediately jump ship once the cannon from CBS/P was fired ... you could create a settlement on your own that would turn you into a witness for the plaintiff, or even provide further evidence to the plaintiff (like emails and such), with an agreement from the other side they will not seek financial penalties, nor blacklist you from future CBS/Viacom projects.
Oh, a rat, eh? A stinkin' rat! AP will send his goons out after them.....................
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Really all depends on how much of the fans money he has left to pay the rent on the studio. He could possibly pre-pay the rent on the studio for 2-3 more years with the funds he has now. This way if he has to pay damages, and/or go bankrupt, he still has the studio, since he does not own the physical property it would not be an asset he would have liquidate. He could then start to use it to make a profit again. I think his goal is to keep the studio, more than it is to win, or settle, to make the film.

I'm not a lawyer, but if Alec waited until after the suit was filed to bleed cash reserves by, say, suddenly paying for two more years of a lease ... a court can force the landlord to refund that money, directly to the plaintiffs.
 
Another thing to, even if you didn't immediately jump ship once the cannon from CBS/P was fired ... you could create a settlement on your own that would turn you into a witness for the plaintiff, or even provide further evidence to the plaintiff (like emails and such), with an agreement from the other side they will not seek financial penalties, nor blacklist you from future CBS/Viacom projects.

Yep, that's how I see it. You're, say, a makeup artist. You maybe do weddings or work with a hairdresser much of the time and, on occasion, you do movie work or you're trying to break into it. Starving artist or just about. You get a chance to work for a production, you don't ask questions or you don't ask the right ones or you are too glad for the work to ask, something like that. You end up involved.

The lawsuit comes down in December and you don't know any high-powered lawyers. The production tells you to sit tight; everything is hunky dory. You can't really put your finger on it, but it doesn't sit right with you and you're nervous. You're seeing your dream wash away. Or maybe you do some online research and start to have questions. Your questions may even be shot down.

You call your cousin who's a lawyer or maybe a paralegal or an insurance adjuster or an accountant. You spill your guts to them. They read up, too, and read between the lines. They tell you, "This doesn't look so good. But even if it looked wonderful, you're not represented here."

You call a lawyer or your cousin represents you or at least they make some calls. Nothing official; nothing signed. You're just asking questions. The right people are gotten through to, and you or your unofficial representative end up talking to CBS. They forward your concerns to Loeb & Loeb. A person from the firm contacts you, and tells you, "We can settle with you. Our beef is not with you, not really. Here's the figure: $___. Oh and by the way, you probably won't have to testify if it gets to trial. We just want whatever emails or papers you have referencing the matter."

You're relieved. You sign. You pay or make plans to, grateful you get to keep your house and your job. You feel confident in the future. You forward a bunch of emails and photocopy a few papers and stick them into a postage-paid envelope provided by the good folks at Loeb & Loeb.

You get to go on with your life after a few payments, and you even get to pitch your services to Hollywood in pursuance of your dreams.

Don't think this can't happen. There are any number of these Does who would jump at such a chance, particularly if they aren't in the innermost circle, which is most likely consisting of Mr. Burnett, Mr. McIntosh, and Ms. Kingsbury.
 
So I was just talking to our social media person talking about potential stories that could be in the pipeline (we're always trying to anticipate where we can), and we talked a little about what is going on with Axanar.

Now, I'm not a lawyer. I'm a reporter who has covered many court cases (especially the paper aspect) of it for years, so that is what this is all based on. I don't have any other inside information.

But I did mention that Axanar's answer to the complaint was due next week. I know that a lot of people are excited about it, but I'm sure one of the lawyers here will confirm, that answer will typically just be them acknowledging things they claim is true (like that Alec Peters is a resident of California, for instance), and just denying the other accounts. There could be some reasoning in why they are denying those claims ... but many times, you just see a denial.

So it's basically a bunch of numbers (based on the original complaint) that will say "admitted" or "denied."

What might make this interesting is if they file a counter-suit. That might be more of an interesting story next week to come from the answer, and a countersuit would typically come in the answer-phase. I have no idea what they could counter-sue on, but to be honest, I have no idea what would be an effective defense for them on this case, either.

I also mentioned that even after this, it could be quite a while before we go to trial. The only big thing that might happen is that the court rules on the injunction request (expect it to be approved, because that's almost standard in cases like this).

And I'm sure I'm not alone in believing this, but I don't even think it will get to the injunction phase. Have you noticed how quiet everyone has been lately? Even Alec has been quiet, especially during the whole RMB insanity. You've seen a lot of pulling back on a lot of areas. That means either the lawyers told them enough already, or they are knee-deep in settlement talks.

Even one of the attorneys who says she is representing Axanar claimed that settlement is the desirable action. I know that many of us like to jump and say, "That means they were wrong if they are settling!" No ... it really is a business move more often than not, because you can settle far less than what it would cost to drag it out in court, even if you would ultimately win.

However, in this particular case, I would say that a settlement is indeed a loss for Axanar. As was discussed before, the reason why a law firm took this on pro bono, because they feel there could be some benefit to future (or even existing) cases they have. But those benefits would be through victory in a trial, with a jury and/or with a judge. A settlement does nothing for them.

So the fact that settlement seems to be their primary strategy now strongly suggests to me that what the law firm had hoped to gain from this case is no longer a tangible gain. That now, they are just going to do their best to limit the damage to their clients, and get out of this as fast as they can. A settlement would do just that, and only that.

So my prediction is that we will get a boring answer next week, with just "admitted" and "denied," and that maybe in a matter of days or weeks, a settlement is announced.

For the record, I find all this very difficult to masturbate to.
 
What in the world could they be filing a counter suit about? CBS being a big ol' meanie?
 
What in the world could they be filing a counter suit about? CBS being a big ol' meanie?

Bill, probably the same thing they claimed they could sue others about. I mean, Peters made an indirect threat to me that the was going to sue me for pointing out public documents. Not illegal, or actionable. lol!
 
So I was just talking to our social media person talking about potential stories that could be in the pipeline (we're always trying to anticipate where we can), and we talked a little about what is going on with Axanar.

Now, I'm not a lawyer. I'm a reporter who has covered many court cases (especially the paper aspect) of it for years, so that is what this is all based on. I don't have any other inside information.

But I did mention that Axanar's answer to the complaint was due next week. I know that a lot of people are excited about it, but I'm sure one of the lawyers here will confirm, that answer will typically just be them acknowledging things they claim is true (like that Alec Peters is a resident of California, for instance), and just denying the other accounts. There could be some reasoning in why they are denying those claims ... but many times, you just see a denial.

So it's basically a bunch of numbers (based on the original complaint) that will say "admitted" or "denied."

What might make this interesting is if they file a counter-suit. That might be more of an interesting story next week to come from the answer, and a countersuit would typically come in the answer-phase. I have no idea what they could counter-sue on, but to be honest, I have no idea what would be an effective defense for them on this case, either.

I also mentioned that even after this, it could be quite a while before we go to trial. The only big thing that might happen is that the court rules on the injunction request (expect it to be approved, because that's almost standard in cases like this).

And I'm sure I'm not alone in believing this, but I don't even think it will get to the injunction phase. Have you noticed how quiet everyone has been lately? Even Alec has been quiet, especially during the whole RMB insanity. You've seen a lot of pulling back on a lot of areas. That means either the lawyers told them enough already, or they are knee-deep in settlement talks.

Even one of the attorneys who says she is representing Axanar claimed that settlement is the desirable action. I know that many of us like to jump and say, "That means they were wrong if they are settling!" No ... it really is a business move more often than not, because you can settle far less than what it would cost to drag it out in court, even if you would ultimately win.

However, in this particular case, I would say that a settlement is indeed a loss for Axanar. As was discussed before, the reason why a law firm took this on pro bono, because they feel there could be some benefit to future (or even existing) cases they have. But those benefits would be through victory in a trial, with a jury and/or with a judge. A settlement does nothing for them.

So the fact that settlement seems to be their primary strategy now strongly suggests to me that what the law firm had hoped to gain from this case is no longer a tangible gain. That now, they are just going to do their best to limit the damage to their clients, and get out of this as fast as they can. A settlement would do just that, and only that.

So my prediction is that we will get a boring answer next week, with just "admitted" and "denied," and that maybe in a matter of days or weeks, a settlement is announced.
Michael, while an Answer doesn't need to go into a lot of detail, it still needs to present at least an outline of the defendants' case in response to the allegations in the legal complaint. It needs to include, for example, any defenses that would disqualify the case from being heard in the court where the complaint was filed (admittedly, not likely in the case). It also needs to include any defenses that might apply to your case or you may not be able to present them later. Given the affirmative defenses Winston's attorney Erin Ranahan has hinted at in interviews (i.e., waiver and fair use), you should expect to see them raised in the Answer.

And while you're correct that both sides may be haggling behind the scenes already regarding a possible settlement, until one is reached the Answer still has to be filed as if no settlement exists; the Answer has to preserve all possible defenses that may be needed in the admittedly unlikely case the suit goes to trial.

Finally, while any possible trial would likely be months or years in the future, an injunction is something CBS/Paramount will seek as soon as possible under the argument that allowing the defendants to proceed with production allows them to continue to financially benefit from the infringing activities that prompted the suit. That being the case, some kind of hearing before a judge is something you'd be likely to see sooner rather than later.
 
Arrived Down Under yesterday: "Star Trek: The Latter Fire" (Pocket Books, March 2016) by James Swallow. Acknowledgments on p. 385 includes Filmation's Scheimer & Sutherland, among others, so hopefully there are some fun TAS elements?

Also an acknowledgment to "Alec Peters and the Axanar crew for flying the flag".

It must have gone to press before this whole mess started.

Kor
 
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