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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Indysolo said:
What good? A 21 minute prelude and a 3 minute scene. That's it! It took Paramount less time to film a major motion picture than it's taken Axanar to build a bridge!

Neil
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Any person using the tiniest bit of logic could figure out this has went off the tracks (and ain't coming back) due to Peters. That he still has so many supporters is downright fucking scary.
 
Admiral Cain said:
So
The lawsuit asks for:
1. Up to $150,000 in damages for each copyrighted work infringed.
2. Attorney's fees.
3. An order from the judge telling them to stop making the movie, promoting it, or selling merch.
4. An order from the judge telling to not make the movie, promote it, or sell merch in the future.
Nothing more?
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In addition to No. 1, which are known as statutory damages, the studios are also seeking actual damages, the amount of which would be argued at trial, but which essentially entails Axanar's ill-gotten gains made by trading off the studios' intellectual property. That could conceivably be every cent they've collected via crowdfunding and direct donations.
 
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Count Zero said:
"CBS and Paramount are not doing anything with the franchise! Well, except for that giant blockbuster movie that will come out later this year. But apart from that, nothing!"
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Not only the movie, but a new TV series. And a novel line that has been running continuously since 1980 and comics and video games and ship models and remastering 178 episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation and...

CBS has done nothing at all with the franchise.
 
Facts, schmacts!

But seriously, how deluded can this guy be? Dude, before this lawsuit, 9 out of 10 Trek fans hadn't even heard of your fan film.
 
I don't get where this whole "CBS and Paramount aren't doing anything with the franchise, except the movie" thing comes from. Like BillJ said, there is plenty of Trek out there if you just know where to look. At least once or twice a week the official Star Trek website is announcing some new product on the way.
 
In regards to that podcast, look at what the situation is now, need I say anymore. 390 pages in this thread alone speaks volumes.

Now back to the James Brown power hour. ;)
 
carlosp said:
In addition to No. 1, which are known as statutory damages, the studios are also seeking actual damages, the amount of which would be set at trial, but which essentially entails Axanar's ill-gotten gains made by trading off the studios' intellectual property. That could conceivably be every cent they've collected via crowdfunding and direct donations.
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Because conceivably every dollar that went to Axanar is from a Star Trek fan who would have otherwise spent money with CBS/Paramount?
 
Admiral Cain said:
Because conceivably every dollar that went to Axanar is from a Star Trek fan who would have otherwise spent money with CBS/Paramount?
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It doesn't matter if those dollars would have or not. What matters is that Peters got those dollars by using an unlicensed IP.
 
Admiral Cain said:
So Jespah, do I have this more or less correct in laymen's terms?
The lawsuit asks for:
1. Up to $150,000 in damages for each copyrighted work infringed.
2. Attorney's fees.
3. An order from the judge telling them to stop making the movie, promoting it, or selling merch.
4. An order from the judge telling to not make the movie, promote it, or sell merch in the future.
Nothing more?
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Correct, so far as I can tell. Damages may come down to how many infringements are counted. Is the Vulcan scene just one, or is it divided into several, based upon its elements? Here is what I see, if a stricter approach is taken:
  1. Soval the character
  2. Vulcans as a species
  3. The planet Vulcan
  4. The background scenery for Vulcan
  5. The Vulcan robes (maybe)
  6. The human Starfleet uniform (might not be in this scene; this might be in Prelude only)
  7. The mention of the Klingons (IIRC)
  8. The mention of the Federation (IIRC)
  9. The use of the word Axanar
  10. The use of the Vulcan ring-style ships
At $150,000 apiece, this would equal $1.5M, thereby wiping out more than the KS and IGG money combined, and I haven't even counted patches, coffee, DVDs, models, etc.

Then, yeah, actual damages. That'll be interesting.
 
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jespah said:
Correct, so far as I can tell. Damages may come down to how many infringements are counted. Is the Vulcan scene just one, or is it divided into several, based upon its elements? Here is what I see, if a stricter approach is taken:
  1. Soval the character
  2. Vulcans as a species
  3. The planet Vulcan
  4. The background scenery for Vulcan
  5. The Vulcan robes (maybe)
  6. The human Starfleet uniform (might not be in this scene; this might be in Prelude only)
  7. The mention of the Klingons (IIRC)
  8. The mention of the Federation (IIRC)
  9. The use of the word Axanar
  10. The use of the Vulcan ring-style ships
At $150,000 apiece, this would equal $1.5M, thereby wiping out more than the KS and IGG money combined, and I haven't even counted patches, coffee, DVDs, models, etc.

Then, yeah, actual damages. That'll be interesting.
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Depending on what we're talking about, there's more than that. Including the Enterprise.
 
I confess I just skimmed the Vulcan scene and did not parse it closely - so there may be several more.
 
jespah said:
I confess I just skimmed the Vulcan scene and did not parse it closely - so there may be several more.
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the ancestral meeting ground of Spock's family on Mt. Seleya

vulcan script on costumes

distinctive architecture

idic pin (really, I mean *really*?? Roddenberry introduced it to make money, Nimoy was pissed)

reference to the teachings of Surak
 
Count Zero said:
Even without the ships, there's enough infringement to go around - Garth of Izar, the main character, Soval, Klingons, Vulcans, Starfleet and the battle of Axanar itself which is an invention from a Star Trek episode and was later expanded upon in officially licensed tie-in literature. This is as clear cut as it gets, really.
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Agreed.
muCephi said:
the ancestral meeting ground of Spock's family on Mt. Seleya

vulcan script on costumes

distinctive architecture

idic pin (really, I mean *really*?? Roddenberry introduced it to make money, Nimoy was pissed)

reference to the teachings of Surak
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Well, using IDIC pin for making money should be considered a wash ;)
 
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