To be fair...that's a lot of awards, actually. Sure, AP intentionally miscounted, but there's not a lot of difference between 45 and 47.
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And how many of those awards were sponsored by Axanar or Alec Peters?On AxaMonitor: Ever wonder whether Prelude to Axanar really won the 47 awards Alec Peters has boasted about for years? Turns out there's only 45. AxaMonitor compiled the list because until its inquiry it wasn't on the Axanar website.
^^^ That is a more valid question. If all the awards came from impartial panels at independent events then, honestly, good on AP. If they're all his cronies stacking the deck in his favor, then bugger him, as usual. Does anyone know where the paper trail leads for each of those cons/events?
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Alec Peters never met a fact he couldn't distort.
Not to mention the fact that it was a FFINO (fan film in name only).
There's inevitably going to be a difference in talent level between pro actors and amateurs. There is value in both experience and education. Good special effects can dazzle (and cover a multitude of sins). Prelude was also created with an attention to verisimilitude, so its design sensibility was created by a professional. That is, it was outright copied from a professional's creation, instead of being made from scratch.
I still don't understand how/why festivals would ever admit a fan film, and not just Prelude. I mean Continues, etc. Fan films by definition have an unfair advantage in terms of character creation, set design, costuming, and makeup, assuming they have enough cash to copy same well.
Making something out of nothing is hard, hard work, and for people to like it means scrambling over a far higher hurdle than any fan film will be faced with (let's face it; there's a built-in audience for both fan films and fan fiction). It feels downright unfair to throw fan films into the bucket with the wholly original works. The fan films are (again, assuming enough money) born on third base. They didn't hit a triple in order to get there.
I still don't understand how/why festivals would ever admit a fan film, and not just Prelude. I mean Continues, etc. Fan films by definition have an unfair advantage in terms of character creation, set design, costuming, and makeup, assuming they have enough cash to copy same well.
Making something out of nothing is hard, hard work, and for people to like it means scrambling over a far higher hurdle than any fan film will be faced with (let's face it; there's a built-in audience for both fan films and fan fiction). It feels downright unfair to throw fan films into the bucket with the wholly original works. The fan films are (again, assuming enough money) born on third base. They didn't hit a triple in order to get there.
Who said it was groundbreaking? I said it stood out. (It's not about how it's made, it's about the presentation.)
It did stand out a lot from your typical fan film.
While LFIM was largely responsible for the guidelines coming out like they did, I think some form of guidelines was going to have to come out one way or the other. Fan films were trying to out-do themselves with how many professional actors, professional production people, etc. Axanar went way over the line trying to make money and a professional business but I think some restrictions especially on former trek actors was almost inevitable.
Yep, the documentary-style presentation and large presence of professional actors is what set it apart from all other productions. The whole "Queen Bitch Whore" kerfuffle (a line that no other production dared to cross to-date) also accidentally provided it with some additional attention that it may not have otherwise appropriated, propelling it into a more "adult" status than most others. Doesn't justify any of AP's abhorrent actions, mind you, but the production itself was unlike any other - straight-up.
AP generally never tells a big, big lie. He just tells lots of little ones.
Yeah, more's the pity. I suppose it garnered him some relative success in the early days when most people took him for his word. The problem with telling tons of little lies is that no human being can keep track of them all. Sooner or later, pathological liars like that always get caught up in the massive web they've woven and that's when the wheels fall off the wagon and people start to notice that something ain't right. Unfortunately, most people are generally trusting, and when he runs out of maneuvering space with the current people he's working with, he just cuts his losses and moves on to the next group of poor trusting folks who believe in his "grand vision". That's why I think this thread will easily hit 1701 pages and a new one will be started before the year's out. Guys like that just can't stop blowing sunshine up peoples' asses to get what he wants.
Honestly, in a perverse way, we should be glad he's only trying to do a Trek fanfilm instead of starting some new doomsday polygamist cult out in the desert somewhere like Waco or Jonestown. He's clearly got a talent for bullshit peddlery. Wouldn't take much for him to REALLY mix the grape koolaid on some poor unsuspecting schleps.
The Vulcan bits in Discovery's "Lethe" looked much better and more natural than The Vulcan Scene™
Answer: Sponsorship Fee. (IE - Said group pays for some aspect of the Convention/Film Festival.)
So, basically, ethics, shmethics?Answer: Sponsorship Fee. (IE - Said group pays for some aspect of the Convention/Film Festival.)
Okay, I get this isn't exactly the Alec Peters Fan Club (TM), but comparing him to mass-murdering cult leaders is a bit much.
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