CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Richard Baker, Dec 30, 2015.

  1. drt

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    Horizon also blew past Axanar over the course of a couple of months
     
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  2. STRenegade

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    And a much better story (although I do have issues with several plot points in Horizon)
     
  3. cultcross

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    I can't find anything online about that at all, and we're not talking dark ages - this site was running then.

    If anything did happen, the story has been... exaggerated. Cops don't arrest people from conventions for selling blueprints of starships, that's absurd, and illegal. At most, CBS/paramount representatives might rock up with important looking paperwork to try to shut people's stalls down or frighten people into leaving, or do some research for C+D letters later.

    Disney have always been famously hot on copyright infringement and yet bootleg Star Wars merchandise, art, costumes, etc etc still abound at conventions. The internet is crawling with people selling this stuff too. They can't ever officially endorse it (hence the fan film guidelines about making it yourself or buying licenced costumes/props, no buying fan made) but they are stoically ignoring it.
     
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  4. Sgt_G

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    To be fair to Disney, most of their stuff is not just copyright but also trademarked, and as you should know if you've read this topic much, they are legally obligated to defend their trademarks (but have to option to defend or to not-defend their copyrights as they see fit).
     
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  5. Jedi_Master

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    So... will the Axanar short films ever be made?

    Alec claimed the script would be ready at the end of May, but he subsquently has stated that "pre-production" will begin when the Ares/Valkyrie/Industry/Rocketworx/OWC Studio has "opened" - some time in the future.
     
  6. 137th Gebirg

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    Yeah you're probably right about all that. I never personally saw it all happen, only the aftermath. And I agree that, in retrospect, thinking about the story I was told, there was very likely over exaggerated to enhance the drama from the vendor's POV. Something definitely happened that weekend (the unlicensed merchandise was definitely all intentionally hidden in the dealer's room and the general atmosphere at the con was one of paranoid apprehension) but most likely not nearly as bad as I was told. Kind of wish I was there myself to see it.
     
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  7. Mytran

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    When will the new studio be open? I'm guessing it will be in just 30 days...
     
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  8. Noname Given

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    I've been on Con Committees and a part of many a local Science Fiction Convention from about 1987 - 2001. Usually what happens when something like illegal (read: unlicensed material for sale) merchandise is brought to the Con's attention by the rights holder (or their authorized representyative) - is the Con Chair (or someone authorized by him/her) goes and speaks to the vendor - and the offending items are removed from sale OR (if the vendor is indignant and doesn't want to remove the items or the Chair feels it's warranted) - the Vendor is told to leave and Con and Hotel security makes sure they pack up an go. I've never seen material confiscated either.

    Unless they do something like assault security personnel or the Con Committee person asking them to remove the items/leave (because they're angry); I've never heard of anyone being arrested for selling unlicensed merchandise at a Con. Also, they DON"T get their Table fees reimbursed in any way,
     
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  9. Professor Zoom

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    No.
     
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  10. King Daniel Beyond

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    Which is hilarious since they've already said they won't be filming there
     
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  11. Potemkin_Prod

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    I've been selling Star Trek fanzines at conventions since 1979, and have been approached a couple of times by Paramount reps. One time a rep for them explained to another rep what fanzines were. And that was it. The second time, they asked was I selling photos or autographs, to which I replied no. They nodded, glanced at the zines, and went on to the next table.

    While scripts are part of preproduction, from my own experience (and YMMV), it's at least several months if not a year before the preproduction might begin. Here at Potemkin Pictures, we're working on scripts that won't be shot until the beginning of 2018. I suspect that's true for most fan films, including Axanar.
     
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  12. MikeH92467

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    Unlike Axanar (i.e. LFIM) you have figured out what the hell you're trying to do and a sensible system (I'm not saying it's the "best" or "only" system) that works for you. I have seen no evidence that Axanar is in any way comparable.
     
  13. jespah

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    In all fairness, May isn't over yet.
     
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    I could see how photos might be bootleg, and autographs could be faked. But surely reselling of documented autographed pictures couldn't be a licensing violation? I would think they are collectibles, licensed in the act of selling them to the original purchaser, the license passed on to whoever is the current owner.
     
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  15. dmac

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    He didn't say which May, did he?
     
  16. Potemkin_Prod

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    I believe they were inspecting the images which, without a Paramount license, could be a copyright violation.
     
  17. Csalem

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    Maybe he was referring to the UK Prime Minister Theresa May and as it seems she is going to win the upcoming election it could be five years before her time is over... :)
     
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  18. KennyB

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    Well played @dmac
     
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  19. Noname Given

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    Well, if it's "Aunt May" - he could be looking at another IP lawsuit from Marvel/Disney... :whistle::hugegrin:;)
     
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  20. jespah

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    Mae Jemison! Spelling counts!
     
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