CBS and Paramount officially back together

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by Amasov, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. MakeshiftPython

    MakeshiftPython Commodore Commodore

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    Unlike in the past, I don't really see a reason for any Trek film to exist in this climate of media. Back then the TOS and TNG films were essentially reunion specials with theatrical movie budgets. That was part of the allure of seeing a Trek film, revisiting old characters you used to watch on TV. The Kelvin films were made because that was all Viacom could do as they could no longer produce a TV series. Now that the TV division is back under one roof, there's little reason to do a movie at all. Television has drastically changed since the 90s. Even if a future Trek show becomes the biggest thing for the franchise on the level of pop culture icons like TOS and TNG, what reason would there be to do a movie today? TV productions are much more cinematic compared to old days, so the leap from TV to film wouldn't be as grand.

    The only possible future I could see at this point is if Tarantino revives the Kelvin films with his project, but that's a big maybe. Even if Trek doesn't revive on film, I won't be too upset. Trek ultimately belongs on television. That's the medium it was created in and thrives best.
     
  2. NCC-73515

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    So Paramount owning the first 10 movies never meant there can't be things originating from those movies in CBS episodes without additional licensing costs? I always thought that's the problem.
     
  3. gottacook

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    I quite agree. A Trek movie apparently can't be produced anymore unless it's a Threat to Earth story or a Let's Destroy the Enterprise or At Least Smash Her Up story. (I think the last one that avoided both of these themes was Insurrection, 21 years ago, but that had its own problems.) TV episodes, as the original series so amply proved, have all kinds of story flexibility.
     
  4. MakeshiftPython

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    They could scale back to mid-tier budgets like they used to in the past, but studios don’t do that anymore, unfortunately. It’s either low budget indies or hundred million dollar tent pole films. As interesting as it was watching the Kelvin films with Marvel level budgets, there were times where I thought they really overdid it unnecessarily. These films never made it past $500 million at the box office, and yet Paramount kept treating the films no differently than how TRANSFORMERS performed.
     
  5. OCD Geek

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    As much as I loved Treks II-IV & VI, First Contact, Trek' 09 and Beyond the franchise really does thrive on television (and in novels) where the stories have much more room to breathe. And where the stakes don't have to be apocalyptic.

    I have no idea why they tried to take Star Trek, which is popular here in the US but niche in (most of) the rest of the world, and tried to make it a 100 million dollar tentpole franchise. There's a reason Paramount tried to force a pay cut on Chris Pine after Beyond. The franchise just doesn't do that well overseas.

    Title.............................................................Domestic / %................Overseas / %
    Star Trek Into Darkness..............................$228.8 (48.9%).......$238.6 (51.1%)
    Star Trek.....................................................$257.7 (66.8%).......$128.0 (33.2%)
    Star Trek Beyond........................................$158.8 (46.2%).......$184.6 (53.8%)
    Star Trek: First Contact...............................$92.0 (63%)............$54.0 (37%)
    Star Trek: Generations................................$75.7 (64.1%).........$42.4 (35.9%)
    Star Trek: Insurrection.................................$70.2 (62.3%).........$42.4 (37.7%)
    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.....$74.9 (77.3%).........$22.0 (22.7%)
    Star Trek: Nemesis......................................$43.3 (64.3%).........$24.1 (35.7%)
     
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  6. Phoenix219

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    Exactly - my take on Into Darkness has always been such: It has the earmarks and twists of a full season of JJ Abrams style television - dropping us into the end of one episode, shocking twists and deaths and reveals that would have been shocking and fun if we had a few episodes to build up the character drama and emotions in the background - relationship drama, the Khan reveal, the explosion at HQ, Pike's death, Kirk's sacrifice, etc - it was like we got all the big moments and actions sequences of the whole season compressed into one movie.
     
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  7. MakeshiftPython

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    I think they really fumbled it with the sequels. ST09 had a respectable box office take which paralleled BATMAN BEGINS; a reboot of a franchise that had been on ice after the last one bombed. Sadly that’s where the parallel ended.
     
  8. thribs

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    Well, they won't be able to use that as an excuse as to why Discovery looks so wrong now. :)
     
  9. Ralphis

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    My reply to all of this is: They should split the difference and make some straight-to-streaming movies, similar to what Netflix and HBO does.

    An obvious choice here would be an Anson Mount/Captain Pike movie, or movies. Mount seems reluctant to do a series like Discovery long-term because of the time he'd be away from home and his new wife, but maybe a couple of streaming movies would be more up his alley? Of course, there are other good topics and possibilities for Star Trek streaming movies, but the Pike/Mount one is my current favorite.

    But with streaming movies you kind of get the best of both worlds. You can give it a budget similar to the older Star Trek movies, and make it a little more cerebral than the recent films since you're not worrying about attracting the general movie going audience.
     
  10. Beckerjr

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    With the effects/production we see on a show like Discovery I'd have no issue with just some TV/streaming only movies. Yea they may not have quite the scale of a 200 million dollar Hollywood blockbuster but that's not what Star Trek should strive to be. Its not meant to be another Star Wars and that's ok.
     
  11. C.E. Evans

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    My own theory is that what's going to happen. Paramount will continue to produce Trek movies, but aside from the possible Tarantino ones, they may all just be on CBS All Access from this point forward.

    Since we're all one just big happy fleet now...
     
  12. donners22

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    At least part of that is down to the poor TV deals Trek had outside of the US - eg. in Australia, Paramount had contracts requiring Trek to air behind VHS releases, which meant a small core of fans bought/rented/bootlegged those, while TV networks buried episodes late at night and years behind.

    It will be interesting to see if Netflix distribution has brought in a wider audience.
     
  13. The Habs Fan

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    Alex Kurtzman's production company is now in charge of the movies so if new theatrical movies will be produced, I would expect them to tie into the current TV shows.
     
  14. Bad Thoughts

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    Now that all the rights are under one roof and the secret licensing agreements dissolved, will CBS finally make real Platypus Man?
     
  15. ITDUDE

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    If we never see another Trek movie in theaters but we get one full streaming TV movie per year for the next twenty years, I’ll take it.
     
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  16. King Daniel Beyond

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    As long as they're more than glorified two-part TV episodes or the Babylon 5 movies, that's acceptable.
     
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  17. Amasov

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    Totally agreed.

    The scale of TV has changed (and for the better) so drastically in the last 15 years. Plus I don't think you'll get too big an argument from anyone when you say that Trek is more suited for the TV screen anyway. Even during the heyday back in the late 80s and through the 90s, the films were an added bonus to seeing Trek weekly. While it was always great to look forward to a new movie, we still had our weekly fix.
     
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  18. MakeshiftPython

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    The only show I actually WANT is that speculative DS9 Season 8 as a limited series event. Otherwise, I’m looking forward to what Trek is offering so far.
     
  19. lurok

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    I vaguely recall (if remember correctly) that TWOK - considered one of the best Trek movies - was budgeted and shot under Paramount TV division almost as if a high-ened TV production? Certainly a significantly smaller budget than TMP, with more of the feel of the original series
     
  20. Ralphis

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    Exactly! I'm not going to pretend I understand the logistics and budgeting behind producing a summer blockbuster film as opposed to an episode of a streaming TV show, but since Discovery's budget is somewhere between $6-8 million per episode, and considering the amazing special effects they've been able to pull off on that show, I got to think that a two hour streaming movie would be more-than-satisfying. I guess it all depends on whether or not ViacomCBS' focus group data results suggest they can keep/garner enough subscribers to justify direct-to-streaming movies.
     
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