Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoilers

[LaxScrutiny]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

When we were watching at the time I turned and said Why didn't dad come up with this stuff when she was getting blown up in her apartment?

 

[Christopher]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

I can see most of that, but not Beckett going to a therapist. If she wasn't going to one all these years over her mother's death, over all the shit she sees day to day as a cop, I don't see what is going to motivate her to do it now.

Almost dying? Discovering her admired captain was part of the conspiracy and then seeing him die? That's well beyond the usual stuff she endures, and it would be deeply reckless for her not to go to a therapist after such a traumatic ordeal. Indeed, I imagine it's probably standard procedure for officers who've been shot and nearly died to be required to talk to someone in the wake of it, just as (if I understand correctly) they're required to talk to a therapist after shooting someone.

And who says she's never been in therapy before in the wake of her mother's death? We've only known her for three years.

Anyone else feeling that the scene with her dad felt a little fishy? Later, when he mentions her dad they're interrupted before he can mention the visit. Fake dad? Big bad? Big bad evil Daddy? Intentional distraction? There is something off there.

Yeah, I was suspicious of the dad the moment he showed up and tried to get Castle to convince her to drop the case.

 

[Scout101]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

I thought he was dead, which was part of why she wore his watch, but must have crossed my wires somewhere...

 

[Vendikarr]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

I thought he was dead, which was part of why she wore his watch, but must have crossed my wires somewhere...

He became an alcoholic, and managed to climb out of the bottle. The watch is a symbol of the life saved. She wears her mother's ring as a symbol of the life lost.

 

[kitkat]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

WHAT?!?

I HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE FALL!?

My reaction exactly!!! At least Castle said it.

Let me add my "ditto" to this sentiment. I was like, really? REALLY?????

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Almost dying? Discovering her admired captain was part of the conspiracy and then seeing him die?

I guess you missed the episodes where she gets blown up in her apartment, almost freezes to death in Rick's arms, her ex partner betrays her trust and then later on gets killed.

 

[JiNX-01]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Okay, so he did the wrong thing for the right reasons. But that's more a desperate necessity than a heroic act to be celebrated.

Then we will have to agree to disagree. He knew who he was dealing with, and what they were capable of. You can call it desperate, and I would agree... and I think the character would agree on that. Heroic? that' also a point to debate, but I would still support the decision simply because of who he was dealing with and the knowledge of what they would do if they were allowed to leave the scene alive. Then again... maybe Lockwood did survive and was actually Beckett's shooter. That's unlikely though, given the proximity of Montgomery's gun when shot and the amount of time until Montgomery's funeral.

I think Kate was shot by whoever hired Lockwood.

 

[Christopher]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Almost dying? Discovering her admired captain was part of the conspiracy and then seeing him die?

I guess you missed the episodes where she gets blown up in her apartment, almost freezes to death in Rick's arms, her ex partner betrays her trust and then later on gets killed.

You know, it's really childish to accuse someone of being ignorant just because they disagree with your interpretation. I'm perfectly well aware of those episodes, which is why I don't think they're the same thing as what happened here. In her blown-up apartment, she had time to duck into the full bathtub and wasn't substantially injured. In the freezer, again, that was a fairly brief brush with death, not as severe as actually being shot, bleeding out, and (presumably) having to spend a significant amount of time in the hospital to recover. Between that and all the other ordeals she went through in this episode, she's very likely to come out of this with PTSD.

I did some research, and apparently post-traumatic counseling is sometimes mandatory in the NYPD but generally voluntary, and I wasn't able to find what the specific breakdown was. Apparently I was right that most police departments require counseling sessions after a "critical incident," usually defined as a police shooting, but it doesn't say anything about being shot. And apparently there's a lot of resistance to counseling within police culture due to fears of stigma, which is just stupid. We've really got to outgrow these absurd mental-health stigmas and recognize that the brain is no different from the rest of the body -- sometimes it gets sick or injured and needs treatment to get better, and counseling is just part of how a responsible person takes care of one's health.

So if Beckett does refuse therapy after this, it will be consistent with the culture she's part of, but it will still be a very foolish choice. I hope she has the intelligence and maturity to seek therapy.

 

[Jax]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

I hope she has the intelligence and maturity to seek therapy.

You make her sound real , I guess you hope the writers have the intelligence and maturity. It could make some decent scenes I just think they will use Castle in a way as her shrink to help her though and bring them two together as a couple.

 

[Saxman1]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Great ep! Let's just hope we're past the silly 1980's stuff like in "Remington Steele" where they dragged out the Laura/Remington relationship (the "will they or won't they get together") so long that people lose interest. I say this as a fan of that show. By the time they actually did get together, it was the series finale and no one much cared at that point. Indeed, by the 4th season, the ratings were falling big time as the writers concocted ever-more ridiculous means to keep the two main characters apart.

When they probably hook up in the end, it was done so poorly, it left a bad taste in one's mouth and even then, they never even show them kiss, it ends with a lamp being turned off in a window. Stupid.

I mention "Remington" because there are similarities: the woman is the "real" cop, the man is a decent investigator, but not a legitimate one, the will they/won't they, etc. Again, let's hope we've moved beyond the silly 1980s soap opera conventions, as one poster wrote above.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Almost dying? Discovering her admired captain was part of the conspiracy and then seeing him die?

I guess you missed the episodes where she gets blown up in her apartment, almost freezes to death in Rick's arms, her ex partner betrays her trust and then later on gets killed.

You know, it's really childish to accuse someone of being ignorant just because they disagree with your interpretation.

I addressed your point. You responded by calling me childish. That's an inappropriate response, I ask you to refrain from personal insults to me on this board. You are welcome to disagree but keep my personality out it.

 

[Christopher]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

No, you didn't "address my point." You made an ad hominem comment making assumptions about me as a person, about whether I had seen the episodes in question. You assumed that my disagreement with you was based on ignorance rather than an informed difference of opinion, and that is very condescending. It is wrong to equate a comment about the person with a comment about his point. You're the one who made it personal.

 

[Forbin]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Moonlighting also crashed and burned when they dragged out the "will they/won't they" schtick (I think it was the first show to do that, too - wasn't it before Remington Steele?). When they had Maddy marry someone she just met on a train, it got beyond ridiculous. I got a little of that same vibe when Beckett started dating that guy this year.

 

[Kirby]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

^^ I think either Moonlighting or Cheers started it all. In this case, the 'will they/won't they" takes a back seat to just how fun this show is (at least for me). I rooted for Sam/Diane, and David/Maddie, and Jim/Pam, but I don't care that much about Castle/Beckett. I'd be ok if Beckett just up and said "no, we're not doing this" and then they went on from there.

 

[FPAlpha]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

^^ I think either Moonlighting or Cheers started it all. In this case, the 'will they/won't they" takes a back seat to just how fun this show is (at least for me). I rooted for Sam/Diane, and David/Maddie, and Jim/Pam, but I don't care that much about Castle/Beckett. I'd be ok if Beckett just up and said "no, we're not doing this" and then they went on from there.

Fat chance.. there were several scenes in season 3 heavily implying she's also fallen for Castle but as he said when he visited her appartment she's been emotionally closed off since her mother's murder and won't allow anyone to reach her.

However Castle seems to be the first person to really achieve that as evident be her slight smile when he finally said it and she passed out (of course she passed out.. they can't kill off a main character when the show got renewed).

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

Moonlighting also crashed and burned when they dragged out the "will they/won't they" schtick (I think it was the first show to do that, too - wasn't it before Remington Steele?). When they had Maddy marry someone she just met on a train, it got beyond ridiculous. I got a little of that same vibe when Beckett started dating that guy this year.

I believe Remington Steele predated Moonlighting.

Which leads me to wonder: given that everything else is being rebooted these days, why is there no Remington Steele movie in the works?

 

[Scout101]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

^ she toyed with going back out to be with him when they were in LA, too, but of course, he had just closed his door, so she went back inside instead...

 

[Forbin]

Re: Castle: Season 3 (Nathan Fillion, Stana Katic) - Discussion & Spoi

^ she toyed with going back out to be with him when they were in LA, too, but of course, he had just closed his door, so she went back inside instead...

That scene gave me a HUGE Moonlighting vibe, since David and Maddie's offices were on opposite sides of the reception area, and they were always doing that.