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Carnival Row - New Amazon Prime Victorian Era Fantasy Series from The 4400 creator, Rene Echevariia

Oh yeah, the world building is definitely the best part.
One other thing I forgot to mention before, I loved the opening credits they introduce in episode 2. It's a fly though of a museum showing a bunch of the different fae races.
Just as a warning, there is kind of a bit of nudity in the credits. It's not real clear, but the fairies they show appear to be naked.
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I finally got around to watching the first two episodes. Overall, I'm enjoying the premise of the series, but there are certainly elements that leave me...bored and annoyed.

Things I liked:
  • The Fae lore and all of the various species within it. I thought the show was strictly going to be just fairies and fauns (or pucks as the show calls them), but I was pleasantly surprised to see centaurs, kobolds, and a mysterious monster in the sewers. I wonder what else might pop up as the series progresses.
  • The aforementioned mysterious monster in the sewers and the connection a dark god. Honestly, as soon as I saw the tentacles, I immediately thought Cthulu, even though I'm sure that's not what's going on.
  • Along with the Fae lore, I'm fascinated by the sociological and political aspects of this alternate history of Earth in an obviously alternate Victorian England. While there are obvious simplistic takes on class, race, and gender issues, I am curious to learn about this world and how it operates. I figure the first season will focus mostly in Carnival Row and the Burgue, but I hope in the following season(s) will see more of the world (although I think I read in one of the reviews the's a whole flashback episode that's presumably not in that setting and potentially in Tirnanoc.
  • I loathed the thought that I was going to place the wonderful Indira Varma in the second category (as wasted potential) but the twist at the end of the second episode has left me intrigued about why she would kidnap her son (and hopefully it's not as lame as teaching him a lesson).
  • Apparently the new in thing is to hate on Cara Delevingne, whether it's because of Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets (which I loved and somewhat baffled why people hate it so much), because of Suicide Squad (which I refuse to watch), or simply because she's a former model. However, I think she's terrific as Vignette and is one of the best parts of the whole cast. I wish I could say the same about her co-lead...

Things I didn't like:
  • Meh. Orlando Bloom. I loved him as Legalos and merely enjoyed him as Will Turner (but only because he was lifted up by all of the talent around him), but here he's just...there. The same old facial expressions of disbelief, discomfort, bemusement, befuddlement that we ever saw from his two famous roles. Here, he's not much use except to facilitate the investigation of the mysterious monster. I'm further disinterested in his illustrious past history with Vignette, but I am curious about what he's hiding (I'm guessing he's actually a Fae who cut off his wings, but hopefully that's not it).
  • The insufferable, privileged, spoiled Spurnroses. Both Imogen and Ezra are the absolute worst and now that Vignette is no longer in their clutches, I really don't give a damn about their loss of riches and racist views. I'm sure there's some greater reason for them, undoubtedly tied with Agreus, but right now I don't care.
  • As I mentioned before, the show takes a rather simplistic take on class, race (mostly between humans and the Fae), and gender and I hope it outgrows the surface level take on those issues and actually delve into what makes this world tick and why. And not simply "We're greedy and look down on those who don't look like us."

There's room for growth in this series, both in this season and the guaranteed second season, so hopefully my issues will be addressed naturally or the writers learn from their mistakes and adjust accordingly. For now, I'm in.
 
I finally got around to watching the first two episodes. Overall, I'm enjoying the premise of the series, but there are certainly elements that leave me...bored and annoyed.

Things I liked:
  • The Fae lore and all of the various species within it. I thought the show was strictly going to be just fairies and fauns (or pucks as the show calls them), but I was pleasantly surprised to see centaurs, kobolds, and a mysterious monster in the sewers. I wonder what else might pop up as the series progresses.
  • The aforementioned mysterious monster in the sewers and the connection a dark god. Honestly, as soon as I saw the tentacles, I immediately thought Cthulu, even though I'm sure that's not what's going on.
  • Along with the Fae lore, I'm fascinated by the sociological and political aspects of this alternate history of Earth in an obviously alternate Victorian England. While there are obvious simplistic takes on class, race, and gender issues, I am curious to learn about this world and how it operates. I figure the first season will focus mostly in Carnival Row and the Burgue, but I hope in the following season(s) will see more of the world (although I think I read in one of the reviews the's a whole flashback episode that's presumably not in that setting and potentially in Tirnanoc.
  • I loathed the thought that I was going to place the wonderful Indira Varma in the second category (as wasted potential) but the twist at the end of the second episode has left me intrigued about why she would kidnap her son (and hopefully it's not as lame as teaching him a lesson).
  • Apparently the new in thing is to hate on Cara Delevingne, whether it's because of Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets (which I loved and somewhat baffled why people hate it so much), because of Suicide Squad (which I refuse to watch), or simply because she's a former model. However, I think she's terrific as Vignette and is one of the best parts of the whole cast. I wish I could say the same about her co-lead...

Things I didn't like:
  • Meh. Orlando Bloom. I loved him as Legalos and merely enjoyed him as Will Turner (but only because he was lifted up by all of the talent around him), but here he's just...there. The same old facial expressions of disbelief, discomfort, bemusement, befuddlement that we ever saw from his two famous roles. Here, he's not much use except to facilitate the investigation of the mysterious monster. I'm further disinterested in his illustrious past history with Vignette, but I am curious about what he's hiding (I'm guessing he's actually a Fae who cut off his wings, but hopefully that's not it).
  • The insufferable, privileged, spoiled Spurnroses. Both Imogen and Ezra are the absolute worst and now that Vignette is no longer in their clutches, I really don't give a damn about their loss of riches and racist views. I'm sure there's some greater reason for them, undoubtedly tied with Agreus, but right now I don't care.
  • As I mentioned before, the show takes a rather simplistic take on class, race (mostly between humans and the Fae), and gender and I hope it outgrows the surface level take on those issues and actually delve into what makes this world tick and why. And not simply "We're greedy and look down on those who don't look like us."

There's room for growth in this series, both in this season and the guaranteed second season, so hopefully my issues will be addressed naturally or the writers learn from their mistakes and adjust accordingly. For now, I'm in.

I finished the show after the long weekend. Rest assured that the characterization and plot get rather deeper pretty quickly from the fourth episode on.
 
Having seen through the fifth episode, I would say it happened sooner than that with the third episode.

I love a good flashback episode when it's utilized properly and it certainly was here. I hadn't cared about the Philo/Vignette relationship in the first two episodes but this episode went a long way in establishing why we should care and not just because it's a "forbidden love"as seemingly suggested by the trailers and the first two episodes. I loved how they connected over the sci-fi novel and why it resonated for both of them.

I also loved the giant library carved inside of a mountain. Be still my beating heart! I particularly loved how the Mima Roosan had a contingency plan in place in case the Pact took over: Vignette sealing of the library from the outside world by burying the entrance with a cave-in. Better for it to buried in rumble than for their books whisked away to some museum to be gawked at (or worse, burned away).

I didn't expect the show to address Philo's mysterious past so quickly, but I am liking where it's going. My heart broke for him when he realized Aisling, one of the murder victims in his investigation, was in fact his mother. She was so close and he had no idea. :(

I imagine he'll find his father is alive and well (perhaps Absalom?}.

Speaking of whom, I'm still not sure what Piety was up to in kidnapping her own son and getting Absalon's political rival, Ritter Longerbane, blamed for it. Unless, she's somehow in cahoots with Sophie as part of her power play at the end of episode 5? Either way, I'm glad Jonah picked up on the clip-cloppping of his mother's heels right away.

I continue to love the worldbuilding as we see more and more races including trow, werewolves, and possibly another I'm forgetting. My heart broke for Runyon when his trope of kobolds were deported and he had no control over it (and it was done while he was sleeping!).
 
Finished the season today. The ending snuck up on me more quickly than I expected, partially because I found myself really enjoying every facet of the series (yes, even the insufferable Spurnroses), partially because I thought, for some reason, that the first season had ten episodes instead of eight. Going into the final episode, I wasn't sure everything would be adequately tied up in the final hour (with the appropriate loose ends where necessary) but everything clicked together rather nicely.

I was still puzzled by Piety's motivations until moments before the big dual reveal, having completely forgotten about the prophecy spoken of Absalom's son (at least I correctly called Philo's parentage). That reveal lessened the bitter taste left in my mouth about Sophie and Jonah being half-siblings (and she knew when she was fucking him) and I was rather amused when she said "The game has only just begun," probably a deliberately on-the-nose reference to Game of Thrones.

I didn't expect to care about Imogen on any level, even if I largely predicted how her storyline would play out with Agreus, although I was relieved that she fully embraced her relationship with and took a firm stand against her brother. I liked how Imogen and Agreus being able to flee the city for their forbidden love, while Philo and Vignette were forced to return to Carnival Row, was a quiet commentary on how money and class really does make a difference.

I somewhat lament the sociological aspects of the fell a bit to the wayside in the back half of the season in favor of the conspiratorial machinations and cultism, but with the way the season ended with a heavy "Us versus Them" flavor that unfortunately reflects this country's current political and sociological strife, I imagine it will be in the forefront of next season. However, I fear that it'll be more heavy-handed than subtle but I would love to be proven wrong.
 
I am watching the second episode now. The show is like Bright meet Defiance with some Downtown Abbey thrown in. I am also a big fan of Steampunk and this show is very much in that vein.
 
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I don't know; it always strikes me as a bit of a red flag when a co-creator drops out due to "creative differences."
 
I finally remembered to watch the final episode this morning, and I was pretty happy with how things came together.
I have to confess, Piety didn't occur to me as a possibility for the murder, but once we got the reveal, it seemed pretty obvious.
Damn, Sophie Longerbane is seriously psycho, first she admits to sleeping with a guy she knew could be her own brother, and then it turns out she was the one who set everything in motion.
I was happy to see Imogen turn on her brother and leave with Agreus. I actually thought they might kill one of them off during the big confrontation, so I was pretty happy they at least got a temporary bit of peace and quiet. Judging by how Ezra was looking at the end I doubt that will last.
Philo's declaration that he was a Critch, and then walking over to join Vignette was a nice place to leave their story for the season.
 
Anybody know what's going on with this? I know it was renewed and I think they even filmed Season 2 already, but I haven't seen anything about it anywhere in ages.
 
Anybody know what's going on with this? I know it was renewed and I think they even filmed Season 2 already, but I haven't seen anything about it anywhere in ages.
I just heard that Orlando Bloom’s schedule caused delays in the production in Season 2. They could still be post production or they are just waiting for the perfect time to drop it.
 
Yeah, his portion of filming was delayed by the birth of his son but they wrapped filming back in September. I guess they're going through a lengthy post-production.
 
Seeing this thread bumped made me realize I'd never seen the show.

I watched episode one today. Philo really has a way with women, yes?
 
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