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Carmen Sandiego (Netflix)

Nerroth

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I can't seem to find a pre-existing thread for this show, so apologies if there is one - but has anyone here been watching Netflix's current incarnation of Carmen Sandiego?

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I'm a few episodes in so far, and it seems to have some similar story beats to Netflix's She-ra series:
an orphan protagonist raised by an evil organization who turns against them and shows up in various realms to counter their nefarious plans.
 
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I watched it all the way through with my daughters. Well produced, good voice acting (if a bit stereotypical at times) and solid story. Highly recommend watching it all the way through.
 
I watched the whole thing the day it came out and I absolutely loved it. A great modern update to the series and I really enjoyed the new and different origin story for Carmen Sandiego. I can't wait for season two!
 
I've watched the 2-part pilot. It's okay, but it could be better. I'm not a fan of Flash animation, and the show is pretty half-hearted in its attempts to maintain the original's educational aspects, with just a few throwaway references to geography. And it has some problematical elements in its portrayal of international cultures. For one thing, what the hell is a diamond called the Eye of Vishnu, after a Hindu deity from India, doing in an archaeological dig in Casablanca, a city in West Africa?

I also wasn't fond of the blatantly stereotyped portrayal of the instructor Shadow-san. Western shows that depict Japanese people tend to steep them in traditionalism, in pure Japanese attire and trappings without a shred of anything Western, but in reality, Japan has been a heavily Westernized culture for the past century and a half. Japanese people mainly only dress in kimonos and traditional attire like that on certain holidays and formal events, at least going by the Japanese TV and movies I watch. So this is sort of like if the French Interpol officer had been dressed up in Napoleonic-era cosplay instead of a modern suit and coat. Also, since he's a teacher, he would more properly be called Shadow-sensei. Calling him Shadow-san is like addressing a doctor as "Mister." Not to mention that it's weird to append a Japanese honorific to an English-language epithet like Shadow. The Japanese word for shadow is kage.
 
A bit further in now... I see they are incorporating geography/history lessons, and if anything spend a bit too much time on them. And they're including a mix of characters from previous incarnations, including Zack & Ivy from the old cartoon (now Carmen's allies instead of her pursuers) and the Chief from the PBS game show.

I'm starting to think it was a mistake to make Carmen the heroine and her pursuers in law enforcement the antagonists. I think Carmen works better as a woman of mystery, a noble thief adversary for the protagonists.
The situation set up in episode 4 -- with the Chief wanting her ACME agents to track down Carmen in order to learn what she knows about the far more evil VILE organization -- seems like it would work better if it were told from the ACME agents' point of view, with Carmen's connection to VILE, her origins, and her agenda being a mystery for the heroes to uncover over the season.
Basically, it feels to me like they set up this show backwards.
 
For one thing, what the hell is a diamond called the Eye of Vishnu, after a Hindu deity from India, doing in an archaeological dig in Casablanca, a city in West Africa?
I took it that it was stolen in the first place.
I also wasn't fond of the blatantly stereotyped portrayal of the instructor Shadow-san.
I do agree with that, but I am hoping that his arc continues and will reveal more about him.
I'm starting to think it was a mistake to make Carmen the heroine and her pursuers in law enforcement the antagonists. I think Carmen works better as a woman of mystery, a noble thief adversary for the protagonists.
I'm going back and forth on this, but I can appreciate the story as it is put out there. To me, it casts the whole situation in a new light, and it helps allow Carmen to be clever and the protagonist, instead of making the law enforcement as the protagonists look dumb for always missing her. Though, to be fair, they still look pretty dumb, which does annoy me.
 
I'm going back and forth on this, but I can appreciate the story as it is put out there. To me, it casts the whole situation in a new light, and it helps allow Carmen to be clever and the protagonist, instead of making the law enforcement as the protagonists look dumb for always missing her.

You can do a show like that without the protagonists looking dumb. The current season of Super Sentai, the Japanese show that Power Rangers is based on, is Lupinranger vs. Patranger, about cop Rangers vs. phantom thief Rangers based on Arsene Lupin, the fictional gentleman-thief hero that Carmen Sandiego is also a spiritual descendant of. The show manages to make both sets of protagonists equally likeable and worthy of respect, mainly by pitting them both against the evil monsters that the Lupinrangers are trying to rescue their loved ones from. What I'm suggesting for Carmen would be much the same thing -- the ACME team is pursuing Carmen, but they're both fighting VILE in their own ways, so they can both be shown to succeed against the true villains even while being at odds with each other -- and of course they can occasionally find themselves reluctantly allying to tackle the greater threat, or the protagonists could sacrifice a chance to catch Carmen because of a greater crisis caused by VILE, or the like.

Of course, that format can work with Carmen as the protagonist -- the two Ranger teams in LvP are equal protagonists and the focus is often more heavily on the thieves -- but as I said, I like Carmen as a woman of mystery, as the elusive quarry. That's built into the title of the franchise -- Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego? -- and in her character design, with the big hat and trenchcoat hiding her features. She was created to be a tantalizing figure, to be forever chased but always just out of reach. So letting us in on all her secrets from the start just takes the mystery out of it.
 
I'm 3 episodes in. It's getting progressively better, even though it's more of a kids show than I thought it would be. I did love the "Fedora the Explorer" line though. :guffaw:
 
I finished the season tonight. I appreciated the final episode tying the season together, but I don't think I'm going to come back for the next season. This show is not my demographic, and I didn't like that Devineaux guy.
 
Wow, the episode with Paper Star on the train was really impressive. The action was really intense and well-choreographed, rivaling Samurai Jack (a show whose design style I just realized this show has a lot in common with). Paper Star is a surprisingly menacing and creepy antagonist for a kids' show, and her fights with Carmen were surprisingly exciting for a show with such a cartoony look. I feel that a show like this should be built more around problem-solving and mysteries, but this was a really impressive 22-minute action movie. And we got some advancement of the core plot with Carmen having face-to-face conversations with Devineaux and Argent.
 
Wow, the episode with Paper Star on the train was really impressive. The action was really intense and well-choreographed, rivaling Samurai Jack (a show whose design style I just realized this show has a lot in common with). Paper Star is a surprisingly menacing and creepy antagonist for a kids' show, and her fights with Carmen were surprisingly exciting for a show with such a cartoony look. I feel that a show like this should be built more around problem-solving and mysteries, but this was a really impressive 22-minute action movie. And we got some advancement of the core plot with Carmen having face-to-face conversations with Devineaux and Argent.

I actually agree with this. The Paper Star episode was pretty good. In terms of mystery and problem solving, I think that was my biggest issue with the show. I remember Carmen sandiego being very mysterious, but they spelled all that out in the first two episodes. Then when we got to the capers, nothing felt mysterious. It was like this show was going out of it's way to explain everything. It made for a boring show, actually.
 
Really enjoy the Paper Star episode. Quite surprised by the design.

Enjoying sharing this show with my kids.
 
The finale was pretty cool. Some more surprisingly intense action/peril, and pretty nice character work with Carmen and Shadow-san (though I still hate how they misuse the honorific in his name).


I remember Carmen sandiego being very mysterious, but they spelled all that out in the first two episodes. Then when we got to the capers, nothing felt mysterious. It was like this show was going out of it's way to explain everything. It made for a boring show, actually.

Well, it is supposed to be educational, but that was the value of the mystery format of previous shows, both the PBS game shows and (I suppose) the earlier animated series that introduced Zack & Ivy. Focusing on kid heroes trying to track down a criminal and solve a mystery is a good way to teach problem-solving and analytical thinking. The show could use more of that.
 
Just starting watching it now and so far so good.
I was going to say the educational info-dumps seemed a little on the nose and out of place, but then I looked up the character and discovered the IP's edutainment/gameshow/90's cartoon background and suddenly it made a little more sense.

I'm assuming this is one of those things that never made it across the pond as despite being a child of the 80's & 90's, I don't think I've ever heard of this character at all. I just assumed it was an original IP.
 
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By the way, it occurred to me that Carmen's use of decoys in two episodes (including the finale) was a good explanation for why a master thief wears such a conspicuous bright red outfit.
 
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