Captain Rachel Garret...

[SonOfMogh]

Perhaps they originally mistook the Enterprise-C vanishing into the rift as a cowardly jump to warp and escape.

I always assumed that's exactly how the Klingons perceived it.

 

[The Wormhole]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer, and that her final actions solidified peace between the Federation and the Klingons would earn her place in history. So while I wouldn't expect her to be name-dropped as often as Kirk or Picard, one has to wonder why some off-had referance to her wasn't made. Especially when you consider Captain DeSoto has had less screen time in Trek than Garrett but not only was he mentioned more often on TNG, he was even mentioned on DS9 too.

 

[Knight Templar]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer, and that her final actions solidified peace between the Federation and the Klingons would earn her place in history. So while I wouldn't expect her to be name-dropped as often as Kirk or Picard, one has to wonder why some off-had referance to her wasn't made. Especially when you consider Captain DeSoto has had less screen time in Trek than Garrett but not only was he mentioned more often on TNG, he was even mentioned on DS9 too.

Maybe Garrett violated the Prime Directive one too many times, that Starfleet was planning on courtmartialing her and sending her to prison when she reached the next Starbase, and she just happened to have the attack on Narendra III occur on her watch.

 

[The Wormhole]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer, and that her final actions solidified peace between the Federation and the Klingons would earn her place in history. So while I wouldn't expect her to be name-dropped as often as Kirk or Picard, one has to wonder why some off-had referance to her wasn't made. Especially when you consider Captain DeSoto has had less screen time in Trek than Garrett but not only was he mentioned more often on TNG, he was even mentioned on DS9 too.

Maybe Garrett violated the Prime Directive one too many times, that Starfleet was planning on courtmartialing her and sending her to prison when she reached the next Starbase, and she just happened to have the attack on Narendra III occur on her watch.

If that were the case she would have been relieved of command and confined to quarters while her first officer took command and took the ship to the starbase.

 

[Knight Templar]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer, and that her final actions solidified peace between the Federation and the Klingons would earn her place in history. So while I wouldn't expect her to be name-dropped as often as Kirk or Picard, one has to wonder why some off-had referance to her wasn't made. Especially when you consider Captain DeSoto has had less screen time in Trek than Garrett but not only was he mentioned more often on TNG, he was even mentioned on DS9 too.

Maybe Garrett violated the Prime Directive one too many times, that Starfleet was planning on courtmartialing her and sending her to prison when she reached the next Starbase, and she just happened to have the attack on Narendra III occur on her watch.

If that were the case she would have been relieved of command and confined to quarters while her first officer took command and took the ship to the starbase.

Perhaps Captain Garrett and the crew of the Enterprise-C had not yet been informed of the fate Starfleet had planned for her.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer, and that her final actions solidified peace between the Federation and the Klingons would earn her place in history. So while I wouldn't expect her to be name-dropped as often as Kirk or Picard, one has to wonder why some off-had referance to her wasn't made. Especially when you consider Captain DeSoto has had less screen time in Trek than Garrett but not only was he mentioned more often on TNG, he was even mentioned on DS9 too.

Captain DeSoto, unlike Captain Garret, was still alive during TNG/DS9. Even Kirk, the most famous of all dead Captains, only got a single reference in all of TNG. Janeway was merely presumed dead and got none at all.

Starfleet, where dead Captains can't get no love.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Plus DeSoto was Picard's friend and Riker's former commanding officer so he's more likely to get referenced than a character who appeared in just one episode.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Yeah, you're right. For some reason I was thinking of that deadpan angel from "Supernatural."

Understandable. Misha Collins is just so damned lovely

 

[The Wormhole]

Maybe Garrett violated the Prime Directive one too many times, that Starfleet was planning on courtmartialing her and sending her to prison when she reached the next Starbase, and she just happened to have the attack on Narendra III occur on her watch.

If that were the case she would have been relieved of command and confined to quarters while her first officer took command and took the ship to the starbase.

Perhaps Captain Garrett and the crew of the Enterprise-C had not yet been informed of the fate Starfleet had planned for her.

1) That's not how it works.
2) Even if that's how things went down, Starfleet would likely throw away the charges and deny such a thing was going to happen so they wouldn't tarnish the reputation of a heroic officer whose sacrifice has solidified peace with a long-time enemy.

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer, and that her final actions solidified peace between the Federation and the Klingons would earn her place in history. So while I wouldn't expect her to be name-dropped as often as Kirk or Picard, one has to wonder why some off-had referance to her wasn't made. Especially when you consider Captain DeSoto has had less screen time in Trek than Garrett but not only was he mentioned more often on TNG, he was even mentioned on DS9 too.

Captain DeSoto, unlike Captain Garret, was still alive during TNG/DS9. Even Kirk, the most famous of all dead Captains, only got a single reference in all of TNG. Janeway was merely presumed dead and got none at all.

Starfleet, where dead Captains can't get no love.

Kirk actually has three referances in TNG: The Naked Now, Unification, and Relics. Four if you count Nemesis. He also has one referance in DS9 (Crossover), two in Voyager (Flashback and Q2) ane even one in Enterprise (TATV).

Also, Pike has one refernace in TNG and one in DS9.

Hell, stepping aside from Starfleet captains, Khan's been mentioned in TNG, DS9 and Enterprise. Carol Marcus was even mentioned in Voyager.

It really is odd that Garrett has enver been mentioned once again after Yesterday's Enterprise. For that matter, why hasn't Captain Harriman ever been mentioned? Even Robert April got a nod on Enterprise, though it was just on a computer graphic.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer, and that her final actions solidified peace between the Federation and the Klingons would earn her place in history. So while I wouldn't expect her to be name-dropped as often as Kirk or Picard, one has to wonder why some off-had referance to her wasn't made. Especially when you consider Captain DeSoto has had less screen time in Trek than Garrett but not only was he mentioned more often on TNG, he was even mentioned on DS9 too.

Captain DeSoto, unlike Captain Garret, was still alive during TNG/DS9. Even Kirk, the most famous of all dead Captains, only got a single reference in all of TNG. Janeway was merely presumed dead and got none at all.

Starfleet, where dead Captains can't get no love.

Kirk actually has three referances in TNG: The Naked Now, Unification, and Relics. Four if you count Nemesis. He also has one referance in DS9 (Crossover), two in Voyager (Flashback and Q2) ane even one in Enterprise (TATV).

The TNG references only happen in the presence of someone who knew him personally, so I'm not sure that counts. And TATV has been purged from my memory and it's probably better off staying that way.

It really is odd that Garrett has enver been mentioned once again after Yesterday's Enterprise. For that matter, why hasn't Captain Harriman ever been mentioned?

Probably because neither of them ever did anything more memorable than suck and die. Kirk was remembered for many things, but martyrdom wasn't one of them.

 

[Knight Templar]

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Probably because neither of them ever did anything more memorable than suck and die. Kirk was remembered for many things, but martyrdom wasn't one of them.

Very true.

Why are the stories of Wyatt Earp so widely known?

Because unlike most gunfighters, he lived a long life, moved to California and told his stories to eager up and coming producer/directors in the growing film industry.

 

[The Wormhole]

The TNG references only happen in the presence of someone who knew him personally,

Not so with The Naked Now.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

The TNG references only happen in the presence of someone who knew him personally,

Not so with The Naked Now.

I think we can forgive TNG for TNN

 

[137th Gebirg]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer.

Not necessarily. Harriman was in charge of the E-B and he couldn't command himself out of an asteroid belt. Granted, much of his ship's equipment was not yet installed (Tuesday) but that aside, you could tell he was ill-prepared psychologically and professionally to broadcast the presence of command during a bona-fide crisis. He was best suited for an Oberth command, well within the safe borders of the Federation, not a high-profile flagship bearing the name of a legend. I guess the next class of Starfleet Captains weren't going to graduate until next Tuesday either and he's all they had lying around and unoccupied, waiting for the next commission to come along.

The TNG references only happen in the presence of someone who knew him personally,

Not so with The Naked Now.

I think we can forgive TNG for TNN

Agreed. It is gratifying that they got most of their crap out of the way in first season. At least, until Generations came around.

 

[The Wormhole]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer.

Not necessarily. Harriman was in charge of the E-B and he couldn't command himself out of an asteroid belt. Granted, much of his ship's equipment was not yet installed (Tuesday) but that aside, you could tell he was ill-prepared psychologically and professionally to broadcast the presence of command during a bona-fide crisis. He was best suited for an Oberth command, well within the safe borders of the Federation, not a high-profile flagship bearing the name of a legend. I guess the next class of Starfleet Captains weren't going to graduate until next Tuesday either and he's all they had lying around and unoccupied, waiting for the next commission to come along.

Well, competency doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being high profile. It's likely Harriman excelled as an XO and was so well connected that when his promotion to captain came through he got the flagship. Alan Ruck did say he porttrayed Harriman as someone who got further than they should have due to connections. The novels take this further by making his father a high-ranking admiral.

But, getting back to my point the Enterprise is usually considered an important ship. Riker said officers wait years to get assigned to it. So therefore, the captains chose to command the Enterprise would likely be among Starfleet's most notable. Whether the notability is good or bad.

 

[Knight Templar]

I thought Harriman was out of his depth because the Enterprise-B was only heading out for what amounted to a "shakedown cruise". Basically the first mission under power after launching.

In American navy ships, up to a year or more work remains to be done on a ship AFTER it is launched BEFORE it is actually considered operational.

Given that Harriman in the background says something to reporters about "not going to be traveling at warp speeds" I figured this was just he most basic of first cruises.

And IIRC, the "Captain" of a U.S. Navy ship that takes a ship out on its first trip when launched is seldom the captain assigned to command the ship on an operational mission. Instead they are more technical/engineering types who are chosen to work the bugs out of the systems.

I could be wrong. If someone is an old USN hand here perhaps they can correct me.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Harriman was made to look like an incompetent, inept fool (the 23rd century equivilant of Archer) so that Kirk could be made to look more "dashing and heroic" when he jumped in to save the day.

Garrett wouldn't take that crap from anyone

 

[C.E. Evans]

While thinking things over I came to realize in universe, Captain Garrett would have had to be someone important. Being placed in command of the Enterprise would make her a very important high profile officer.

Not necessarily. Harriman was in charge of the E-B and he couldn't command himself out of an asteroid belt. Granted, much of his ship's equipment was not yet installed (Tuesday) but that aside, you could tell he was ill-prepared psychologically and professionally to broadcast the presence of command during a bona-fide crisis. He was best suited for an Oberth command, well within the safe borders of the Federation, not a high-profile flagship bearing the name of a legend. I guess the next class of Starfleet Captains weren't going to graduate until next Tuesday either and he's all they had lying around and unoccupied, waiting for the next commission to come along.

Well, competency doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being high profile. It's likely Harriman excelled as an XO and was so well connected that when his promotion to captain came through he got the flagship. Alan Ruck did say he porttrayed Harriman as someone who got further than they should have due to connections. The novels take this further by making his father a high-ranking admiral.

But, getting back to my point the Enterprise is usually considered an important ship. Riker said officers wait years to get assigned to it. So therefore, the captains chose to command the Enterprise would likely be among Starfleet's most notable. Whether the notability is good or bad.

The novels and stories that have since featured Harriman did a great job in "redeeming" the character and by establishing that while his first mission was a disaster, he learned from his mistakes and later went on to be a fine Enterprise captain (if not something of a bad-ass, really).

 

[F. King Daniel]

Harriman was a deliberately weak commander, made to make Kirk look good at the expense of the entire Starfleet.

The novel "The Captain's Daughter" justified it by having Harriman's father a highly placed admiral, who pushed his son into a rank he wasn't ready for and didn't want.

Alan Ruck was a scream as Mirror Harriman in the second and third parts of Of Gods and Men. More captains need to just YELL AND YELL AND YELL until things get done!

 

[The Wormhole]

Not necessarily. Harriman was in charge of the E-B and he couldn't command himself out of an asteroid belt. Granted, much of his ship's equipment was not yet installed (Tuesday) but that aside, you could tell he was ill-prepared psychologically and professionally to broadcast the presence of command during a bona-fide crisis. He was best suited for an Oberth command, well within the safe borders of the Federation, not a high-profile flagship bearing the name of a legend. I guess the next class of Starfleet Captains weren't going to graduate until next Tuesday either and he's all they had lying around and unoccupied, waiting for the next commission to come along.

Well, competency doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being high profile. It's likely Harriman excelled as an XO and was so well connected that when his promotion to captain came through he got the flagship. Alan Ruck did say he porttrayed Harriman as someone who got further than they should have due to connections. The novels take this further by making his father a high-ranking admiral.

But, getting back to my point the Enterprise is usually considered an important ship. Riker said officers wait years to get assigned to it. So therefore, the captains chose to command the Enterprise would likely be among Starfleet's most notable. Whether the notability is good or bad.

The novels and stories that have since featured Harriman did a great job in "redeeming" the character and by establishing that while his first mission was a disaster, he learned from his mistakes and later went on to be a fine Enterprise captain (if not something of a bad-ass, really).

I agree, the novel Serpents Among the Ruins and the Captain Harriman issue of IDW's Captain's Log series do a great job of depicting Harriman as competant captain and a capable officer. Plus they're also excellent stories in general.