Captain Kirk heading to space.. for real!

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  1. Khan 2.0

    Khan 2.0 Commodore Commodore

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    William Shatner's Going to Space on Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin Rocket Ship (tmz.com)

    that is pretty incredible when you think about it. Captain Kirk.. actually going into space.. a real astronaut!

    even non fans would have to admit that is pretty amazing
     
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  2. ZapBrannigan

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    I hope he goes through with it, and the whole thing goes great.
     
  3. Spock's Barber

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    Shatner is getting in shape for the voyage by doing multiple reps of his patented Kirk drop kick...

     
  4. Imaus

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    He won't be an astronaut, no more than a Cruise Liner passenger is a Seaman.

    As Space Tourism becomes a thing (20 years behind schedule or so), this distinction is becoming clearer, and naval precedent does actually help here.

    I don't hate Space Tourism perse. I want them to build their hotels and whatnot. I'm especially keen on Blue Origin's designs maturing more and more. But this does not an astronaut make.

    If I ever hop above 100 miles, I'm not an astronaut, I'm a passenger. Spacefarer maybe, as a chic term?
     
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  5. Omega-Trekker

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    I hate to sound like a space snob, but I'm not very impressed with Blue Origin's suborbital flights, even less so with Virgin Galactic's method, they seem so 1960's to me. Now SpaceX, with true orbital insertion, even higher than the ISS and a trip that last days instead of minutes is where it's at. SpaceX's technology is so far ahead of the other two that if I could afford to go, which I cannot, SpaceX is where I'd book my flight.
     
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  6. Neopeius

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    I agree that the suborbitals are not too impressive -- although for half a million a seat, they do represent a significant savings over Redstone/X-15 flights.

    On the other hand, I did the math and determined that Inspiration 4 cost half as much per seat as Gemini in 1966.

    In other words, 55 years later, SpaceX has reduced the cost to orbit by a factor of... two.

    Affordable for any billionaire! All hail Saint Elon!
     
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  7. Imaus

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    If you want a ride, yes, SpaceX is the way to go. Want shit done, SpaceX is there. I can respect that.

    I'm biased towards SSTO VTVLs and Blue Origin is seemingly going that route, and that excites me, ya know?

    SSTO VTVLs are exactly what we need for any real manned exploratory missions. Think shuttles, basically. Go up, go down, maybe fill up with ISRU (and if we get more potent fuels, like metastable metallic hydrogen, even that may not be necessary), go up, go down. And what rich person wouldn't want to say, 'I actually own a rocket' in the most common sense of the word? Come to my island, hop on, lets loop around, or dock at the space hotel, lets get back to my pacific island, Mr/Mrs Bond.

    This is a scenario coming off the pages as we speak. Far slower than we anticipated, sure, but coming about. Ever since DC-X and the X-33, I've been into it. And both Spaceship and New Sheperd, slowly, in their own ways, keep pushing that field, even if they're TSTOs and/or Suborbital.
     
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    After Jeff Bezos went on his first launch and came down calling himself an astronaut, the government published new guidelines restricting who can claim that title:
    https://www.yahoo.com/now/gets-called-astronaut-complicated-192755714.html

    You have to perform some in-flight duties essential to the mission. I think that's why the recent SpaceX astronauts all had duties to perform, even if it was just monitoring their own vital signs for "space research" purposes.
     
  10. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    Launching Shatner into low orbit still can’t get me to give a shit about Bezos’ tax shelter penis rocket.
     
  11. F. King Daniel

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    I love Star Trek and all, but going into space IRL is not top of my "to do" list.
     
  12. thribs

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    He better go in uniform or it’s not worth it
     
  13. ZapBrannigan

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    It's almost like a scene from The Motion Picture being re-enacted in real space— the part where Kirk and Scotty scoot over the blue Earth in a little capsule. I wonder if they'll play Goldsmith's "The Enterprise."
     
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  14. Spock's Barber

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    I’m not booking my flight until Musk and Bezos perfect their launch vehicles.

     
  15. Dr. Kravaal

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    That's why I always loved the Buran style craft:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/movgpa/acr_csv2000_buran_type_shuttle/
    http://www.spacebanter.com/showthread.php?t=56851
    https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/pre-buran-ok-92-orbitalny-korabl-orbital-craft.264/
    https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...bitalny-korabl-orbital-craft.264/#post-355028
    https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/us-80s-tnmts-amls-studies-aka-shuttle-ii.3876/

    I really like Figure 4 here:
    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19910018890/downloads/19910018890.pdf

    And Figure 21 here:
    https://www.aiaa.org/docs/default-s...ttlevariationsfinalaiaa.pdf?sfvrsn=b8875e90_0

    But with OK-92 type turbojets. This would be a perfect Shuttle II.
    Maybe a smaller version?
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/2.7588

    A pilot coming back in the system I describe has a very useful airplane unburdened with a lot of tankage. Separate crew and cargo? No--separate them both from tankage that is a threat to both. Fly the fume-filled ET/core back--use it as a wet workshop....I don't care...just keep it away from high-value assets---only those need the heat-shield and man rating.

    A Buran system is safer than Starship:

    A pilot can punch out with an F-111 type pod. That fails? I bail out. No 'chute? Jets quit?
    Make like Sully and do a belly flop in the Hudson.

    Starship with a stuck landing leg and five seconds of fuel left?

    Farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain...
     
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  16. E-DUB

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    All rockets do have their phallic aspect, but that was way over the top.
     
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  17. No Grave Found

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    I'm actually surprised he's willing to take the risk. Both given his age and the fact the technology involved is still in the testing phase.
     
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  18. jackoverfull

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    I hope this actually happens. Am I the only one to remember that interview some twenty years ago when he was asked if he would go up as a space tourist and he answered he would never do it?
     
  19. Maurice

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    Or maybe he figures he's had a long life and why not take the risk?
     
  20. Spock's Barber

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    Where are you going, Bill Shatner?