Captain Esteban and Grissom heh heh
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Well just be careful when shaking hands with him, he might be taking your finger prints for analysis to see if you have been naughty.
LOL!
That is hilarious!
I guess that's why as a full bird Captain, Estaban was only in command of a lousy scout ship - obviously his superiors didn't think too highly of him. A ship like the Grissom would have a lieutenant or at most a lt. commander as captain.
I think sometimes the writers took the "Captain" thing literally -- not realizing that in the Navy, the commanding officer of the ship is addressed as Captain, even if he's only a commander or lt. commander, so you get these tiny ships with small crews like the Grissom and the Lantree (TNG "Unnatural Selection") that still get captain-rank Captains.
This is true. That's why it was a refreshing change of pace in DSN when the lead, Sisko, was a full commander at first. I think the same should have been the case for Janeway in VOY, that she should have been a full commander instead of what's called a full-bird captain in today's parlance. After all, both her original XO and then Chakotay were lieutenant commanders, even though he was always just called "commander." -- RR
^Then again, Sisko was only a lt. commander at Wolf 359, serving under the Vulcan captain played by J.G. Hertzler. And there's a few times during the first season of TOS where Spock's rank is given as lt. commander, even though his rank braids suggest otherwise.
Yep, they're always making mistakes like that. Like in TOS, the security chief is called Lieutenant Commander Giotto, but has two full braids, indicating full commander. And then there's all the confusion around the ranks of Tuvok and Tom Paris. -- RR
The captain was Martok?! Cool!
Yes. He also gets the coolest line: "Maintain all---AAAAAAAGGGGHHH!!!!!". 
Anyway, Who says that Starfleet sticks to US Navy traditions. Esteban was captain of a lowly scout ship, but maybe he was one of the best damned Captain-rank planetary surveyors in the fleet. We often see Worf, Dax or others in command of the Defiant, but they don't go slapping on an extra dot or two whenever they do.
In WWII, whole squadrons of British destroyers were commanded by a Lieutenant j.g. - but he was still a Captain of his boat. It's all relative.
Mark
Anyway, Who says that Starfleet sticks to US Navy traditions. Esteban was captain of a lowly scout ship, but maybe he was one of the best damned Captain-rank planetary surveyors in the fleet. We often see Worf, Dax or others in command of the Defiant, but they don't go slapping on an extra dot or two whenever they do.
In WWII, whole squadrons of British destroyers were commanded by a Lieutenant j.g. - but he was still a Captain of his boat. It's all relative.
Mark
its all just "grade creep", too many officers and not enough space commands. Go back and look at the number of Flag officers in WWII and then look at today. We accelerated ranks as we grew the services. It would not be unusual for a pre WWII Army officer to retire as an O3. Currently you will be out of the military if you dont make 04 in 8-10 years.
That is true. Trek could never get straight the difference between the RANK of Captain and the POSITION of Captain.
doubleohfive
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Chakotay was never referred to as anything other than "Commander" throughout Voyager's run.
If you want to talk about rank inconsistancies... of rank, let's point that target right at Tuvok and his fluctuating pips debacle. He was a lieutenant for much of the early run of the show, yet for most of the first season he was continually wearing lieutenant commander pips. Shortly afterward, they caught it and fixed it... only to promote him anyway.
But I see what you're saying.
And several mentionings of Spock's people being called "Vulcanians" in TOS Season 1. Ugh!
doubleohfive said:
Chakotay was never referred to as anything other than "Commander" throughout Voyager's run.
If you want to talk about rank inconsistancies... of rank, let's point that target right at Tuvok and his fluctuating pips debacle. He was a lieutenant for much of the early run of the show, yet for most of the first season he was continually wearing lieutenant commander pips. Shortly afterward, they caught it and fixed it... only to promote him anyway.
But I see what you're saying.
Agreed over the mess on Tuvok's rank. Regarding Chakotay, if you take a close look at his brevet rank pin, the first two lines are solid, and the last one is black, which seems to indicate a lieutenant commander. It is acceptable to refer to someone of that rank as "commander" for short, though. -- RR
^ Agreed. Happens to me in RL all the time, which is pretty cool in a way. :thumbsup:
Mind you, the first time someone did so, my reply was something along the lines of, "Where?"... and promptly looked over my shoulder to see if a full CDR was following me.
Rather embarassing, that...
Cheers,
-CM-
Mind you, the first time someone did so, my reply was something along the lines of, "Where?"... and promptly looked over my shoulder to see if a full CDR was following me.
Rather embarassing, that...
Cheers,
-CM-
Actually, an RN destroyer squadron would normally have a cpt as CO overall, with either Cpts or Cdrs as the CVO of each ship.
The RN does not have Lt. jgs. We have Sub-Lieutenant's (1 stripe)
AFAIR, in WWII, occasionally a junior corvette may only have an Lt in command, but never a sub.
