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Caprica & Stargate Universe... why so little excitement?

I have virtually ZERO excitment for Caprica because I don't even know whats the show is about really,
It looks to me like it's about the same issue as "I, Robot" and many other stories like that: if you have a character who really is a robot, and thinks in robotic ways and not human ways, should that person be treated as equivalent to human? How alien can their mentality be and still be considered equal? Is it okay if their thought processes are completely inhuman, as long as they have some crucial quality such as free will or self-awareness?

Why don't sci fi fans find that interesting? It's a tried and true theme of sci fi, but it hasn't been overexposed on TV. By the end of BSG, when I realized that the metal Cylons were a better example of the "I, Robot" theme than the way-too-human skinjobs, I got frustrated that the true toasters had been only tangental characters in the story. Now we get a chance to see their side of things.
People are seeing the teenage girl in the previews who's playing Zoe and they're automatically assuming "soap." Her presence doesn't make this One Tree Hill or Gossip Girl of the colonies.
People thought DS9 was a soap opera. too, so maybe we should take it as a compliment. ;)

My problem with it is like Enterprise before it is that it's trying to start over but with the old guard in place so I suspect that after a few episodes it will be business as usual.

That's my take, too. They can say they are new, bold and different but I don't believe they can do it.
 
I have virtually ZERO excitment for Caprica because I don't even know whats the show is about really,
It looks to me like it's about the same issue as "I, Robot" and many other stories like that: if you have a character who really is a robot, and thinks in robotic ways and not human ways, should that person be treated as equivalent to human? How alien can their mentality be and still be considered equal? Is it okay if their thought processes are completely inhuman, as long as they have some crucial quality such as free will or self-awareness?

Why don't sci fi fans find that interesting?
Honestly, after years of Spock, Data, and the EMH trying to find their humanity, I'm just a little tired of the whole concept.

Plus the clips I've seen of Caprica made it look like a crappy SciFi Channel Original Movie.
 
I don't get the "soap opera" charge leveled at Caprica, like that makes it something other than sci fi. It sounds like it's going to be more genuine sci fi than BSG ever was, and with science more central to its premise than we normally see from a TV series.

BSG was about politics and war, not really about the sci fi issue of "should AI's be treated as human?" because the Cylons in BSG never actually behaved as though they were anything other than humans with a big chip on their shoulder. That whole story could have been told with the Cylons just being another human Colony that got kicked around by everyone else, and kicked back. There were isolated places where Cavil and Anders said or did things that stemmed from their Cylon identity, and wouldn't have been said or done by a human, but those examples were rare.

Caprica has a chance to show us Cylons who aren't just humans called by another name - to explore how and why an AI intelligence differs fundamentally from humans'. That is what I call sci fi. Usually you don't find something like that outside of novels. Movies and TV shows are just some other genre - war, action, comedy, etc - with sci fi trappings.

Eh. We'll see. I imagine that TPTB at SyFy might force TPTB of Caprica to dial back the sci-fi elements of the show if it looks like they are losing viewers to the point that it might resemble Kings.
 
Honestly Caprica pisses me off. It's like someone wanted to a futuristic cyberpunk type show, but they didn't have the balls to be original about it and tied it into Battlestar Galactica to try and be safer and get better ratings.

If Caprica wasn't at all related to BSG and instead was just a sci-fi show set in our near future dealing with issues and stuff I'd be into it. The finale of BSG closed their universe and I don't like prequels much because you run into things which you know can't be changed because of what is to come. I think I posted something about that in the Wolverine origins thread.

You're not far off what happened there - according to the Caprica panel at the TCAs last year, Ron Moore and co were asked for ideas for a Galactica spin-off, insisted the only option was a prequel, and were outlining general ideas when one of the execs at the meeting suggested they meet this other writer who'd pitched an idea with some similarities.
So Caprica is, in part, a stand-along idea about the genesis of Artificial Intelligence which was rethought into a Galactica prequel in pre-production.
 
Why does Stargate have to be "dark" or just plain copy Battlestar Galactica in order to be successful ?

What's so bad about making a Science Fiction show for a family audience ?

I guess with the success of BSG and movies like The Dark Knight and Watchmen, the suits think that is the key to immediate success, while ignoring any kind of long term sustainability. They key is to tap into the next generation, and not into any superficial way like airing dreck like Brave And The Bold. My son, for example, who has had a passing interest in Star Trek, tells me he'll be there opening night for the new movie. There's the future. And if Trek is a success, all the "dark" SF&F will be seriously diminished, if not outright go the way of the dodo bird.
 
I guess with the success of BSG

success?!?!?!

A few critics had their nose up RDM's anus but I would hardly call the series a success

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and Watchmen

I agree Watchmen was a great movie but again not exactly a huge hit

It pulled in 90 million, probably cost as much to make

Wall*E cost 120 to make and pulled about 200 million bucks....

guess which was more successful


I don't get why people think those two twits Eick and Moore invented Dark Scifi
there was plenty of this stuff around before MooreRon came around

Movies like screamers, aliens, dark city, mindwarp, blade runner just to name a few
 
Honestly, after years of Spock, Data, and the EMH trying to find their humanity, I'm just a little tired of the whole concept.
There was little question of them being accepted as equals, especially by the
main characters. The people who didn't accept them were portrayed in a villanous light. But what happens to a society when that becomes a serious obstacle for everyone? I don't think this is the Trekkian fish-out-of-water story.

And I hope you're not too tired of Spock because in a few weeks, he's going to be back on the scene with a vengeance. ;) The Trekkian fish-out-of-water story is going to be high profile in a way Caprica's AI-rights theme can only dream of.

I imagine that TPTB at SyFy might force TPTB of Caprica to dial back the sci-fi elements of the show if it looks like they are losing viewers to the point that it might resemble Kings.
Not if they've seen Kings' ratings! :eek: The bigger threat at Skiffy isn't their fear of real sci fi elements but their tendency to prefer light & fluffy approaches (and stupid reality TV shows). They might push Caprica more toward the 90210 soap that everyone so fears, in order to grab ratings.

Let's remember that we aren't particularly representative of the Skiffy audience - who exactly is watching Skiffy's stupid reality TV shows anyway???

As for the cyberpunk elements, what's so strange about that? I've always thought BSG owed a lot to Blade Runner's influence.
 
they both mildly hold my interest, Caprica moreso. Stargate: Lost in Space? not very excited about that. I'd prefer to see more movies and maybe another series with a more novel concept after a longer break. still, it's Stargate, so I'll tune in for a little while at least.
 
I've always thought BSG owed a lot to Blade Runner's influence.
Which owes its look to Star Wars' "used future" aesthetic. Before Star Wars, every sci fi flick looked off-the-showroom new.

Maybe the look came somewhat from Star Wars, but the story it was based on was written long before. PKD often portrayed a "noir" kind of future in his novels, which were mainly written in the 50s and 60s and definitely influenced by pulp detective novels. And the cyberpunk influence had nothing to do with Star Wars, but matched the noir style of the story nicely.
 
They might push Caprica more toward the 90210 soap that everyone so fears, in order to grab ratings.

Not if they've seen the new 90210's ratings on the CW. :lol: Last Tuesdays' brand new ep drew less than 2 million viewers total. That's not good on a (supposedly) broadcast network. Reaper had more viewers.
 
The promotional material for both shows hasn't been particularly mind blowing. As has been said, SG:U has history to dampen hype and we all know Caprica gets nuked so anything that happens in the series is largely a moot point within the universe.
 
Caprica - It's not particularly grabbing me- But if it hits with good characters and stories, I'm on.

SG:U - I'm not expecting anything surprising. But, as with Caprica- if it hits the right chord, I'm in.

I usually give TV shows 8 episodes or so to grab me, unless they suck to awfully for me to bear even the first one (Flash Gordon).
 
Eric stolz's daughter is hot. is she kinky bi?
Even better. Dead and only existing in a holographic environment as memory patterns. Seeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxyyyyy.......gotta love that necrophilia mixed with synaptic logarithms....
 
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