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Canon Violation!

Most of DS9 mirror episods. After the first they got really stupid.


Star Trek XI - That whole Romulus being blown up by a "galaxy threatening" supernova. :rolleyes: Piece of fucking shit. Compleltly shits on the main timeline. It was a smart idea that set the film in an another universe but did they have to destroy Romulus? Seriously? It's bad enough that Cardassia Prime has been leveled and the Romulan senate has been wiped out.
 
Kai Winn said:
SFRabid said:
There are no canon violations in Trek, only alternate universes. ;)

What would I like to get rid of?

  • Toto, ummm, I mean Porthos.
  • Any recordings of Nicole Janeway.
  • Bedroom scenes of Kai Winn
  • Any clip of Rom saying "Uhhh", "Duh", "Brother", ... Hell, just get rid of Rom.
  • Boy Toy Ricker scene.
  • The last episode of TOS. For all of the positive visions of the future they still could not conceive of a woman being captain?
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just you wait. as soon as i can add an avatar, it's my kiss with dukat. :p
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:bolian: Muhahahahaha :devil:

Now in all seriousness - as much as I despise the Pah-wraiths storyline, one of the very few things I liked about it was that an older female character on TV was allowed to have a sex life, without it being played for laughs. Hollywood is notorious for writing off actresses past 'a certain age' (which does not apply to their male counterparts to nearly the same extent) or giving them nothing but your classic grandma roles. One of the items on my long list of positive things about DS9 is the fact that it featured 60-something actresses (Louise Fletcher, Salome Jens) in interesting, non-stereotypical roles.
 
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Cardassians being mammals.
From their first appearance, I'd assumed they were reptilian. I mean, tell me the necks aren't supposed to evoke cobras. But in DS9 it was shown they could interbreed with Bajorans, and Mary Crosby's tits made it abundantly clear they're mammals. I wish the writers had had the courage to make them reptiles (which would have blissfully killed any interbreeding subplots).
 
Forbin said:
Cardassians being mammals.
From their first appearance, I'd assumed they were reptilian. I mean, tell me the necks aren't supposed to evoke cobras. But in DS9 it was shown they could interbreed with Bajorans, and Mary Crosby's tits made it abundantly clear they're mammals. I wish the writers had had the courage to make them reptiles (which would have blissfully killed any interbreeding subplots).
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Right, because a few ridges and scales a thick long neck are enough to make a reptilian, even if he happens to look 95% human. And Star Trek is known for its realism in the depiction of alien races. It makes scientific sense for 99% of the alien races to be humanoid and look like humans with a bumpy head. It's just those Cardassian tits that are spoiling things. :rolleyes:
 
^ Why so many humanoid aliens? Why aren't there more aliens who look like Horta? Tholians? Medusans (whatever they actually look like)?

We all know why.
 
DevilEyes said:
Forbin said:
Cardassians being mammals.
From their first appearance, I'd assumed they were reptilian. I mean, tell me the necks aren't supposed to evoke cobras. But in DS9 it was shown they could interbreed with Bajorans, and Mary Crosby's tits made it abundantly clear they're mammals. I wish the writers had had the courage to make them reptiles (which would have blissfully killed any interbreeding subplots).
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Right, because a few ridges and scales a thick long neck are enough to make a reptilian, even if he happens to look 95% human. And Star Trek is known for its realism in the depiction of alien races. It makes scientific sense for 99% of the alien races to be humanoid and look like humans with a bumpy head. It's just those Cardassian tits that are spoiling things. :rolleyes:
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Bite me.
 
Forbin said:
Bite me.
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Damn, it's too late now :( you should have asked in October when I still had this avatar:

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Myasishchev said:
For that matter, the insistence on permanent mammary glands for everyone to denote gender.
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What's wrong with you? Do you expect the actors to cut their breasts off? I personally have no problem with it. Has long has the main characters breasts are kept firmly hidden. Harder to respect someone if you know the actress is there only because of her tits.
 
There are alot for me, but off the top of my head...

Neelix
"Humanizing" of Species 8472 and making them somewhat friendly. I'd like to see them in the Relaunch series.
Fair Haven & Spirit Folk
 
Forbin said:
Cardassians being mammals.
From their first appearance, I'd assumed they were reptilian. I mean, tell me the necks aren't supposed to evoke cobras. But in DS9 it was shown they could interbreed with Bajorans, and Mary Crosby's tits made it abundantly clear they're mammals. I wish the writers had had the courage to make them reptiles (which would have blissfully killed any interbreeding subplots).
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Well, I don't think they ARE reptilian, despite the reptilian traits.

There's actually some precedent for this on Earth--specifically, the therapsid group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapsid

If the Cardassians are evolved, sentient therapsids, that would explain a LOT about them--why they are so close to mammalian while also possessing reptilian traits. One thing you'll notice with the therapsids in this article is that with the exception of the cynodont (I believe that page specifically features Oligokyphus), they're quite reptilian in appearance, but what's going on skeletally and internally is moving closer to reptilian. If this line of evolution had continued instead of being disrupted by the Permian-Triassic extinction event, and they had begun to take on more of the form of primates (evolving, perhaps, to fill a similar niche in the ecosystem) and the intelligence, perhaps we ourselves would look and function much like Cardassians.

(In a strictly technical sense, we ARE therapsids--but a very specifically evolved subset called mammals...but I am talking about evolution much more like the ancient therapsids.)

But to sum it all up, there is no rule that on other words, a creature that gives live birth and nurses its young cannot have scales and perhaps even a more cold-blooded metabolism than ours. Even some of the mammaliformes on Earth in modern day (platypi, monotremes, and so on) exhibit characteristics that seem to our eye "primitive," but they could easily have become dominant instead of us, if the conditions had been right. (See Australia for an example of marsupials becoming dominant.)
 
Bluesteel said:
Myasishchev said:
For that matter, the insistence on permanent mammary glands for everyone to denote gender.
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What's wrong with you? Do you expect the actors to cut their breasts off?
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Tape and actresses with small breasts. Alexis Bledel or Keira Knightley, for example, could with a bit of artful wardrobe be made to look plausibly breastless. (And incidentally, I owe you a bit of thanks for having to look up Keira Knightley pictures. I forgot what incredible abs she has, or at least had at the time of the photographs.)

In the alternative, you could do it the Shakespearean way. :p

I personally have no problem with it. Has long has the main characters breasts are kept firmly hidden. Harder to respect someone if you know the actress is there only because of her tits.
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If you've got it, flaunt it? :D But yeah, the catsuits were pretty immature--and ultimately, I never found the ones in TNG or VOY particularly flattering (gray leotard = sexy?). T'Pol's were moderately better, looked more like a uniform of some type (perhaps a uniform at a stripclub frequented by NASA employees, but still a uniform). It is, I concede, very possible that Jolene Blalock simply had a better body or that Enterprise had directors that knew how to block better.

The most flattering (female) uniforms they've ever done were the new Trek 11 ones, which were sexy without being OTT about it. Surely, a great improvement over the actual TOS unis, which were apparently designed with patented Upskirt Technology.

Edit: oh, and just to make clear, aliens being analogous to placental mammals isn't that big a deal. I think mammary glands are a great evolutionary boon, especially for a strategy that rewards great parental investment in a few offspring. However, humans are the only mammal off the top of my head that I can think of that carries swollen mammaries around with them permanently... at a significant cost in back problems, I understand. It's obviously been selected for like a male peacock's feathers--men once chose women with the biggest/most perserverant boobs perhaps as a sign of fertility or health or just randomly, but they've had generations to make children who are likewise attracted to big boobs, creating a runaway effect that no longer bears any relation to the original reason the boobs were selected for (like a peacock's stupid, heavy, "here I am, eat me!" feathers) but has not quite yet run up against a significant selective barrier. The advent of boob jobs may counteract this effect, since obviously silicone isn't transmitted genetically, unless you're a Horta.
 
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