"Grazerite" was first written down in the 1997 edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia.
Canon species that were named in the books
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"Grazerite" was first written down in the 1997 edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia.
That's terrible! On Comic Vine, I can edit my posts years after I posted them. I assumed I could do the same here. The "Charting the Novel-verse" thread doesn't seem to have this restriction since it was posted in May 2010, but last edited in April 2011. Do I need to achieve a certain rank before I am able to do this?
The Hylasa were removed on April 22 2014.
The Adduelit, Adelko, Amlevians, Apllintok, Bexxians, Beyentic, Boktians, Bounc, Brethax, Crimto, Dalankrit, Dia'fene, Dref, Eashoya, Glentika, Icarians, Kenshek, Kibo Cri'box, Liposhen, Marfuu, Meltzilians, Palatid, Phanoians, Pirx, Queii, Rinketians, Rolieans, Sa'ggenth, Se'Reilians, Starlians, Sterenko, Strekkelans, Szenenasch, Tegitrev, Thalians, T'lonians, Tschummii, Unikuians, Ventraxians, Vito'D, Widrab and Zantil were removed on July 17 2014.
I'm not sure why you call them "manufactured".
The Aelasans were removed on January 29 2015.
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Rank has nothing to do with it, I my self can't edit a post 24 hours after posting it and I'm second highest rank possible around here.
My guess is the editing restriction was put in place sometime after April 2011.
Perhaps because none of those names actually come from the shows or films?
If you determine that the Rigellians/Chelons are indeed a canon species, then they also had another name: Decipher (and possibly LUG?) called them Chelarians.
I don't know if this one counts, but Captain's Daughter called Lojur from TUC a Kothan, but later novels retconned him to a Halkan, which of course is a canon species name. I don't recall if the TUC novelization named his species or not. (And TBH, I just assumed he was human in the movie.)
I don't know if this one counts, but Captain's Daughter called Lojur from TUC a Kothan, but later novels retconned him to a Halkan, which of course is a canon species name. I don't recall if the TUC novelization named his species or not. (And TBH, I just assumed he was human in the movie.)
Maybe Kotha is a country on Halka?
And of course "Chelon" and "Chelarian" are both variants on the Greek/Latin word for turtle. There's also a species of sentient turtles called Chelonians in Doctor Who tie-in fiction -- and in canon, thanks to a name drop in "The Pandorica Opens," though they've never been seen onscreen.
And by the way, turns out the word "chelonian" is pronounced with a K sound at the beginning, so I've been hearing "Chelon" wrong in my head this whole time.
And of course "Chelon" and "Chelarian" are both variants on the Greek/Latin word for turtle. There's also a species of sentient turtles called Chelonians in Doctor Who tie-in fiction -- and in canon, thanks to a name drop in "The Pandorica Opens," though they've never been seen onscreen.
And by the way, turns out the word "chelonian" is pronounced with a K sound at the beginning, so I've been hearing "Chelon" wrong in my head this whole time.
Yeah, the books that called him Halkan did a similar thing and said he was from Kotha Village.
Huh... so have I, it seems. Is it bad that I prefer the sound of the wrong way?
You wrote in Tower of Babel that humans came up with the name "Chelon" because their actual name is hard to pronounce. If those humans didn't know that it's supposed to have a K sound, then everyone in the Star Trek universe has always been pronouncing it with a CH sound.
So is there anyone I can talk to about getting out of the edit restriction? Who's in charge of TrekBBS?
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It's because people were editing their posts after they'd been quoted, and saying the quoter was mis-quoting them. Also to prevent people from coming back and editing posts for which they've been warned and querying why the warning happened.
Moderators can edit posts at any time - it's likely that the Charting the Novel-Verse thread is being edited by a moderator, not the original poster (unless the poster is a mod).
OK, so maybe that's a bad word choice - I meant the random "alien-of-the-week"-style races generated in the star clusters that aren't canon, which are what you've just referred to.
In fact, the Beyentic, Kibo Cri'box and possibly one or two of the others you mention are traders in one of the Romulan Reputation patrols, so they've not been completely removed.
The Aelasans were only in one mission, so I'd say they're still alien-of-the-week even if they are canon. I hadn't realised they'd removed Saturday's Child though!
As to the Hylasa, AFAIR there was only ever one NPC of that race, and they removed that mission, so clearly the race would vanish. (Once again, alien-of-the-week.)
You should message the moderator of this forum (trampledamage, as you can see on its subpage).
What, they don't have dictionaries in the future? If whoever coined the name "Chelon" had enough of an education to know that Chelonii was the order of Earth turtles, they wouldn't have any trouble tracking down the Greek pronunciation.
Still, there's no guarantee that other people would know what they had in mind. And English pronunciations don't always match the source language anyway. The "y" in "psychic" should really be an upsilon, a U sound, and the "p" probably shouldn't be silent, and the vowel after the "h" should be aspirated.
For what it's worth, Alex Kingston pronounces "Chelonian" with a "ch" sound in "The Pandorica Opens." Also, for comparison, I think that "Cheron" in Trek is generally pronounced like "chair-on" or "Sharon," even though "Charon," as in Pluto's moon, is pronounced more like "Karen."
Upsilon was pronounced in ancient Greek as French tu or sûr, Turkish güneş, or Mandarin 绿 / lǜ. But it has since merged into the same pronunciation as iota, the same as Spanish, Italian, Japanese, everything else's Latin latter i.
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^Err, you're quoting me there, not Extrocomp.
And I think the issue with upsilon is that the written letter got confused/substituted with Y in the Roman alphabet.
And I think the issue with upsilon is that the written letter got confused/substituted with Y in the Roman alphabet.
I'm trying to remember where I first heard "Chelonian".
You see, I've always known it was a hard "C" - 'Kell', not 'chell' - but I can't remember how I knew that. It's not the kind of word you hear spoken aloud very often, and I'm hardly a linguist.
Oh, I know. Literally as I wrote this it came to me. Archelon. I knew how to pronounce that, because I was massively interested in prehistoric life. I must have heard its name or seen pronunciation guides.
Let's hear it for the king of the turtles!
You see, I've always known it was a hard "C" - 'Kell', not 'chell' - but I can't remember how I knew that. It's not the kind of word you hear spoken aloud very often, and I'm hardly a linguist.
Oh, I know. Literally as I wrote this it came to me. Archelon. I knew how to pronounce that, because I was massively interested in prehistoric life. I must have heard its name or seen pronunciation guides.
Let's hear it for the king of the turtles!
Quick note on this subject from me, then back to the turtles
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Thanks to trampledamage, the following names have been added to the list: Canis Alfa, Draco berengarius, Sarpeid, Regulan, astrocoelenterate, star-jelly, skymount, Ramatin, B’kaazi, Markalian, Canopian, Homi indi, Terrestrius manus, Beauregard Weeper, brancher, Denebia carnivora, Excalbia hominidae, Homo lacertae, Gornaran archosaur, Janus hominidae, Homo sagitarii, Regulani vermis, Homo cygni, Polygeminus grex, Homo Trianguli and Homo eridani.
Many of these are scientific names from the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual and I'm glad they've been ignored by later writers. Placing humans, Andorians, Gorn, Klingons, Tellarites and Vulcans in the same genus is ridiculous.
I guess we'll never know for sure how the characters are actually pronouncing it, unless one of the novels featuring Chelons is made into an audiobook. I'm still hoping for a Destiny audiobook so I can finally learn how "Caeliar" is meant to be pronounced.
Star Trek has always had "alien-of-the-week" races. They make the universe a richer, more interesting place. When Star Trek Online removes alien races that were created specifically for the game, it's worse than if they removed a canon race, because now those races are gone from the entire Star Trek universe.
But if it's canon races you're most concerned about, consider the Gekli. Although they're still part of the game, most of the information about them has been removed. They no longer come from Fluidic Space and they no longer have a symbiotic relationship with the Hylasa. Even the name "Gekli" no longer makes sense, since it was the Hylasa who gave them that name.
Speaking of the Gekli, were any of the cosmozoans in Orion's Hounds meant to be the Galaxy's Child species? I remember some of the cosmozoans were described as having sails and the creatures from Galaxy's Child had a ridged structure that might be some kind of sail.
Many of these are scientific names from the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual and I'm glad they've been ignored by later writers. Placing humans, Andorians, Gorn, Klingons, Tellarites and Vulcans in the same genus is ridiculous.
I guess we'll never know for sure how the characters are actually pronouncing it, unless one of the novels featuring Chelons is made into an audiobook. I'm still hoping for a Destiny audiobook so I can finally learn how "Caeliar" is meant to be pronounced.
Star Trek has always had "alien-of-the-week" races. They make the universe a richer, more interesting place. When Star Trek Online removes alien races that were created specifically for the game, it's worse than if they removed a canon race, because now those races are gone from the entire Star Trek universe.
But if it's canon races you're most concerned about, consider the Gekli. Although they're still part of the game, most of the information about them has been removed. They no longer come from Fluidic Space and they no longer have a symbiotic relationship with the Hylasa. Even the name "Gekli" no longer makes sense, since it was the Hylasa who gave them that name.
Speaking of the Gekli, were any of the cosmozoans in Orion's Hounds meant to be the Galaxy's Child species? I remember some of the cosmozoans were described as having sails and the creatures from Galaxy's Child had a ridged structure that might be some kind of sail.
Actually some illustrations from the SFMRM were used as Keiko's classroom illustrations in DS9, thanks to Doug Drexler (the artist on the SFMRM) being an art department staffer on the show. So some of those names are about as "canonical" as any onscreen graphic; for instance, Memory Alpha lists tribbles as Polygeminus grex. (Which is a really interesting choice -- "polygeminus" basically means "reproducing many," and "grex" is the Latin word for a flock or aggregate. In biology, a grex is an aggregate of amoebas that clump together to function almost as a single organism, which is pretty much what the genetically engineered tribbles in "More Tribbles, More Troubles" did.)
Well, presumably the higher taxonomic categories would be different, but, yeah, using the same name for genera of different families/orders/etc. does seem problematical.
Dave Mack always pronounces it "kay-lee-ar," I think.
No, I think I decided that they came from a different region of space.