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Canon or Canonical Cycle?

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Fleet Captain
Where do we go from here?

This is perhaps the nagging question that hounds our thoughts.

Prequels, sequels, side-verses, reboots, reimaginings, there is an ever proliferating list of narrative terms which accompany our sense of anxiety about how to answer this question.

The culprit, or so it would seem, is CANON. A chief complaint we've heard about Trek is the constricting nature of canon. You can only tell so many stories before you wind up painting yourself into a corner. Still, you want to abide by what has been established to some extent to give a feeling of continuity.

So where do we go?

I offer the following solution - Trek should be written as a canonical cycle and not canon.

OK, what the hell does that mean?

Canon is a mandate to respect facts as they are while moving forward and telling new stories. A canonical cycle operates withing the mode of re-telling, not respecting every little fact, but respecting the broad strokes.

It means, that Trek should be approached as a completed narrative. It begins with Enterprise and ends around the time of TNG.

The tales writers tell should occur within the cyle of that narrative. Certain facts should be treated as fixed; it is a fixed fact that Archer, Kirk, and Picard, for example, were captains of starfleet ships named Enterprise. Writers offer variations on the theme within your given telling of the cycle, but you retell the great stories with the great characters - only altering minor details.

This is like the idea of the reboot, except the canonical cycle is not just concerned with re-setting the initial conditions, but also has the end conditions in mind, the whole narrative arc.

Those who redo Trek are called upon to redo the cycle of stories in their own way. There have been wildly divergent stage productions of MacBeth, for example, but all have worked from the same text.

A new series (film or TV) would pick up the challenge to tell the cycle in its own way, perhaps beginning at the beginning, perhaps not. The challenge would be, not to do something really new, but to retell the best stories in imaginative ways and to tell new stories (when new sci-fi ideas appear - a rare occasion indeed) or offer the allegorical twist (given current events) within the existing frame of characters and timelines we already have (like a TNG episode we missed or a timely twist of an old episode).

It is in this way that the narrative could be reinvigorated, while it would still feel like a homecoming.
 
I just don't fucking worry about it.

Like what's up with James Bond? Does he look like Sean Connery and live in the 60s? Or does he look like Daniel Craig and live in the 21st century?

I've been a Trek fan since about 1984, so basically because of TOS, and in the latest movie I wish they hadn't even had Nimoy in it and that Pine had done the "Space...the final frontier" speech at the end.
Start new, have fun and make a good movie.
 
As far as canon goes, all onscreen stuff is canon--even the stuff that contradicts one another (TAS may be the exception, but even that is questionable these days, IMO).

Continuity, though. Well, yeah, that's another issue...
 
Like what's up with James Bond? Does he look like Sean Connery and live in the 60s? Or does he look like Daniel Craig and live in the 21st century?
Both, of course. There's no contradiction: Lazenby even referred on screen to "that other guy", the previous Bond. Clearly, in the realm of those stories, multiple people use the alias "James Bond", just like multiple people can be "The M" or "Felix Leiter"...

The thing with Bond canon or Bond continuity is that Bond mostly takes place in the "real world", which takes care of the little continuity things on its own weight. But Trek takes place wholly in an unreal world, which means that the little continuity things don't take care of themselves. "Broad strokes" won't carry the stories, because the plausibility of the fiction depends on the small details.

If Bond in one story was able to drive from London to Tokyo overnight, or could suddenly hold his breath for eighteen minutes, or had his PPK fire stun bullets without the Q scene introducing those at the beginning, that would be disruptive to the overall telling of the stories. In Trek, such things happen unless one actively fights them. There's no "Trek universe" without at least the current attention to detail. And frankly, the stories have never been good enough for us not to care...

Timo Saloniemi
 
A canonical cycle operates withing the mode of re-telling, not respecting every little fact, but respecting the broad strokes.

It does that anyway - they've just fooled people into thinking there's more to it in order to sell technical manuals, encyclopedias and chronologies.

In TOS and the movies the galaxy could be crossed in a few hours - in Voyager it's a 70 year journey. Enterprise happily ignored Spock's description of Romulan War era technology. TMP and STXI totally reimagined the look of Star Trek.

Star Trek's a mythology under the pretence of being a strict canon.
 
I've never understood why it's supposed to be so hard to write Trek stories while keeping within established canon.

Authors of fiction outside of sci fi can write novels set during real-world time periods while maintaining historical accuracy. Someone writing a historical novel about how people coped living thru the Battle of Britain may invent fictional characters, but wouldn't dream of substituting F-16s for Spitfires, or showing satellite video teleconferencing between Churchill and Hitler.

Good writers should be able to structure their stories and ideas to fit within an established history, whether it's real or fictional.

Which of course explains why Berman and Braga couldn't do it,
 
I personally think that Trek has had its run. Unfortunately, I believe that value on substance of the story lines has diminished during the 21st century so far. The focus of TV is increasing on special effects, aesthetic appeal, looks of not only the show itself but it's characters, being more focused on love or sex rather than the whole point of the show. Plot lines of TV nowadays are amok with major love subplots and the like. The appeal of Star Trek was it's focus on what it was, science fiction, rather than just the bunch of characters with evidently high sex drives getting laid. I think Star Trek would simply be lost in today's world, sorry.

I know, this probably doesn't sound very relavant, but I'm just sayin' why it'd be difficult to add to what is Star Trek now. It wouldn't be popular with the general crowd, and therefore, it might not survive.
 
I've never understood why it's supposed to be so hard to write Trek stories while keeping within established canon.

Authors of fiction outside of sci fi can write novels set during real-world time periods while maintaining historical accuracy. Someone writing a historical novel about how people coped living thru the Battle of Britain may invent fictional characters, but wouldn't dream of substituting F-16s for Spitfires, or showing satellite video teleconferencing between Churchill and Hitler.

Good writers should be able to structure their stories and ideas to fit within an established history, whether it's real or fictional.

Which of course explains why Berman and Braga couldn't do it,

My thoughts exactly. Which is why I still feel that (even though I did enjoy it and own the Bluray), the newest movie could have still been written in a way to fit into the established universe. That they gave its own universe so as not to "erase" 40 years of the other stories is a big plus in my book, but I still have some disappointment that we didn't get to see the origin of "our" Kirk and Spock on screen.
 
I've never understood why it's supposed to be so hard to write Trek stories while keeping within established canon.
For the most part they do. So its not hard.
Authors of fiction outside of sci fi can write novels set during real-world time periods while maintaining historical accuracy. Someone writing a historical novel about how people coped living thru the Battle of Britain may invent fictional characters, but wouldn't dream of substituting F-16s for Spitfires, or showing satellite video teleconferencing between Churchill and Hitler.
With historical novelists their adherence to the facts varies. They not only invent new characters/situations they will often restructure the order of events for "dramatic effect" or place their fictional hero at the center of actual events, displacing a real person.

As far as I'm concerned a work like Star Trek need to have a sliding scale timeline and slidingscale technology. It always needs to be in our future and its tech needs to act/look more advanced than our own. If than means a few details wind up in the dustbin, so be it.

I dont see how anything Trek has done is the equivilant of substituting a Spitfire with a F-16.

Good writers should be able to structure their stories and ideas to fit within an established history, whether it's real or fictional.

Which of course explains why Berman and Braga couldn't do it
Thats BS. I've read books by "good writers" who were more than happy to rewrite their previous works to tell a new story. Its a just another tool a writer can use.
 
Just follow Abrams' lead. He's placed the TOS characters in a new sandbox - familiar enough that they matter to us, but with a future that is not fore-ordained. To get Trek back on TV, just spin off a few TOS-ish characters into a new show and hit "play."

Don't think cyclical; think parallel.
 
I dont see how anything Trek has done is the equivilant of substituting a Spitfire with a F-16.

You must not have seen Enterprise. Especially the Romulan episodes.
It's my third favorite Trek show. Watched from start to finish. The only real stumble with the Romulans was showing their ship cloak. Otherwise they pretty much bent over backwards to keep the continuity intact. Our heroes never had a knowing face to face with them.

You wanna bring up the NX vs Akira? Sorry not the same ship.
 
And aside from the fact they shouldn't be able to cloak pre-Romulan-War, the Romulan ships (along with the NX-01) looked like they were designed for post-TNG time period.
 
And aside from the fact they shouldn't be able to cloak pre-Romulan-War, the Romulan ships (along with the NX-01) looked like they were designed for post-TNG time period.

They were the future as seen in the 2000's. They took influence from the future designs of the 1960's, but to slavishly adhere to them for a modern show would be rather silly (same for STXI). Do you really believe that computer technology in the 23rd century will de-evolve to the point where they can only display blinking coloured squares? Do you really think a Gorn would look like a guy in a rubber suit? Of course not!
 
Canon is what's onscreen. Continuity is a whole other issue.

I accept that everything we've seen onscreen is canon, even the stuff I don't like and can't stand. What I don't accept is that's it's all the same continuity and I don't even try to pretend it is.

For example. The events and everything else in ENT is canon unto itself, but not necessarily to TOS because I don't find it at all consistent with TOS particularly as a prequel. So what I'm saying is that I don't see ENT as being of the same continuity as TOS. Everything in ENT and TOS is canon, but not binding to each other.

No, I'm not raising this to start another debate on the subject, but to illustrate that it can be and is all canon, but not necessarily binding to each other.

I loathe ST09, but it's now canon within its own context. It has nothing to do with TOS because as intended they've rebooted TOS so that nothing previously established is binding. I don't like what with and how they did ST09, but I'm rather glad they did because none of it matters in regards to TOS. The original TOS continuity is still there because ST09 depicts an alternate continuity. And I'm not saying it's an altered, corrupted continuity but an entirely different and separate one.

And this can be applied to any of the series or films. It's so much easier and I save tons of money on Advil I don't have to buy.
 
Like what's up with James Bond? Does he look like Sean Connery and live in the 60s? Or does he look like Daniel Craig and live in the 21st century?
Both, of course. There's no contradiction: Lazenby even referred on screen to "that other guy", the previous Bond. Clearly, in the realm of those stories, multiple people use the alias "James Bond", just like multiple people can be "The M" or "Felix Leiter"...

That is a good point about the James Bond franchise. That very point was a parody in CASINO ROYALE 1966 movie with multiple 007 James Bonds including Peter Sellers, David Niven and Woody Allen.:lol:
 
As far as canon goes, all onscreen stuff is canon--even the stuff that contradicts one another (TAS may be the exception, but even that is questionable these days, IMO).

Continuity, though. Well, yeah, that's another issue...


Agree, as far as STAR TREK goes, I think that all onscreen is absolutely canon: TOS, TAS, NG, DS9, VOY, ENT and all the MOVIES including JJ Abrams using Leonard Nimoy's old Spock to tie it all together. Continuity is definitely a much different ongoing clash of errors.....:vulcan:
 
I personally think that Trek has had its run.

In a certain sense, I agree. We don't really need new Trek stories. We have too many stories, not all of them good, and many of them contradicting the others.

Taking what we have now with Trek and revisioning it in terms of a canonical cycle (rather than the ruthless proliferation of canonical "facts") would allow for pruning, polishing, and otherwise improving a preexisting unity.

Great Trek stories are classic stories which deserve to be retold.

The Superman mythos, for example, would have been greatly improved if Superman had simply remained dead. Doomsday kills him, the end, it's over. Where to go? When the rest of the DC universe is getting too long in the tooth, you restart the cycle of stories. Superman becomes not the never-ending story of a God (who bores us with his perfection), but a contained look at an exemplary life. By marking his death we gain a self-contained narrative to consider, and his life is made all the more meaningful because of the champion's sacrifice. You can't write the eulogy until the man dies. You don't have a whole until the story is over (you have to read the whole book to properly judge, describe, and understand it).

This does not mean that Trek-as-Cycle must be trapped by this closure, but rather that when we creatively repurpose and reimagine Trek stories (in the telling of the cycle of tales) we understand ourselves to be creatively working with an existing whole.

The JJ Abrams Trek could go anywhere at this point. They have not reset the cycle, but merely have reset the premise of the original show (with a few tweaks). It could arrive at a place that is very non-Trek. Approaching the narrative as a cycle, however, ensures that a whole of life contained in the arc of a general narrative is preserved. It allows for both permanence and change.
 
And aside from the fact they shouldn't be able to cloak pre-Romulan-War, the Romulan ships (along with the NX-01) looked like they were designed for post-TNG time period.
They were a slight modification of "Bird of Prey" seen in Balance of Terror which made them look less like a Starfleet vessel and more alien. ( a short coming of the design used in BOT.


The NX has quite a few "Connie" style easter eggs all over it. The Nacelles alone (accounting for about 50% of the design) have a very pre TOS look to them.
 
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