CANCELLED

[Guest]

Devastated

Heck this news even made it to the top story on thee bbc news section

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4231873.stm

I have always watched trek, but never religously, until enterprise, making sure my monday nights on sky were clear. TOS i was too young for but watched repeats, TNG was my fave before Ent, but wouldnt change plans to watch, DS9 i only occasionally watched, aame with voyager, but the loss of Enterprise is a major one.

From the uk i dont get to see how it was treated by its network, but from what ive heard it was very shabbily.

Enterprise deserved its full run, Enterprise deserves to be remembered as a classic Trek series, despite what some SO CALLED trek fans say.

Trek i dont think will ever return as a weekly series, enterprise was its last hurrah and it deserved more respect than it got..

Star Trek R.I.P

 

[Enterprise Computer]

Screw decannon. This be more in line with future of trek but I say go BSG on Star Trek 15 years from now.

IE bring Star Trek back, but reimagin it and shape it and go through all of the series and pick the best stuff to be used as canon. Actually this might be more like Mobile Suit Gundam (considered the Star Trek of animes in japan with more spinoffs than you can shake a stick at) Mobile Suit Gundam Seed (which is currently on Cartoon Network now) is a reimagining of the entire UC saga from the original shows and spinoffs. You still have people who watch and love the original but you ALSO have a series that re-envisions the show using the canon that was formed over the 20+ years of the originals and incorperates their Alternate Universe aspects too (there where 4 series that have no connection to the main story whatsoever) Are the stories the same, yes and no which is what makes it so good, you see aspects you know BUT it takes the story in a different turn but still keeps with some of the canon the original had created for the series that took place after the original.

I can go much more in depth with this but I will leave that to a huge post in future of trek

 

[phasers on stun]

Well I hope all you anti-Enterprise folks are happy.

 

[ZZYFRX]

Posted by Stewey:
Decanonisation is only part of the solution to solving the mass disinterest of fans as well as the answer to attracting back long-time fans who abandoned Trek after “Broken Bow”.

Actually, they need to take it a step further and just start over again from scratch like Ron Moore did with BSG. Sure, the hardcore fans will howl with rage, but in the end we'll most likely get a superior show.

 

[cylkoth]

Posted by Hobs202:

Posted by Kira's Mom:
Only bright side: UPN is now doomed.

That's the one thing I find good about this news.

Quite the opposite, I'm afraid. They are cancelling it, because they no longer need it to survive.

 

[LeandroTLZ]

This is all the Tribbles' fault.

*pictures Berman and Braga as furry little tribbles... with a very angry Klingon nearby*

 

[igrokbok]

^^^^^
Man I hope that doesn't happen, but it probably will. I hate it when studios and directors "re-imagine" things like BSG, PLanet of the Apes, etc etc just to cash in on a known commodity. How about this novel idea...CREATE YOUR OWN DAMN IDEA! Wow, wouldn't that be original. Too much to ask anymore I suppose. As far as Enterprise getting the pink slip, I'm rather indifferent about it all, although it should have been allowed to run 7 years. All the other series, that weren't nearly as entertaining ran 7, it's the least they could do.

 

[Enterprise Computer]

Posted by cylkoth:

Posted by Hobs202:

Posted by Kira's Mom:
Only bright side: UPN is now doomed.

That's the one thing I find good about this news.

Quite the opposite, I'm afraid. They are cancelling it, because they no longer need it to survive.

Feeling they dont need it and really not needing it are two differnt things The only way UPN will ever get people to watch its lineup is if they paid you at this point.

 

[Watch Commander]

The new BSG is great and vastly improved over its birth parent which was a POC. TOS was definately not a POC period and thus don't need such a reimagining. If they did to TRek what Moore did with BSG they better not call it TRek. They can call it something else and I would watch it, but Trek is Trek and has certain principles that guide it. That is the way it should stay. It is possible to write good Trek, we have seen that recently in ENT, that should have been allowed to continue.

 

[Enterprise Computer]

Posted by igrokbok:
^^^^^
Man I hope that doesn't happen, but it probably will. I hate it when studios and directors "re-imagine" things like BSG, PLanet of the Apes, etc etc just to cash in on a known commodity. How about this novel idea...CREATE YOUR OWN DAMN IDEA! Wow, wouldn't that be original. Too much to ask anymore I suppose. As far as Enterprise getting the pink slip, I'm rather indifferent about it all, although it should have been allowed to run 7 years. All the other series, that weren't nearly as entertaining ran 7, it's the least they could do.

Personally I feel Trek is about the only this that SHOULD have this happen to it, just about everyone is in agreement that Trek bacame stale in part because writers had to write in a box thanks to the years of history it created. There are a ton of other reasons too but when even the color of a lightbulb is held to a debate, there are bound to be problems.

People honestly stopped watching trek for the story but more for what they would screw up. It shouldnt matter what is screwed up or not.

 

[Hoser]

Posted by cylkoth:
They are cancelling it, because they no longer need it to survive.

Yup. Because The Parkers was such a runaway hit, we've lost scifi on broadcast forever.

 

[indranee]

Posted by Mogh:
Well, I woke up on my birthday morning to receive this oh-so-thoughtful present from Paramount.

Fuck them. And fuck Berman and Braga and the way they let the Trek universe rot over the last few years. Fuck their tits and ass strategy. Fuck their rehashed stories. Fuck their conservative, plodding, formulaic story-telling.

What pisses me off the most is that they put together this show, this show with a talented cast, this show with great potential and great stories, and so badly executed parts of it that it had to go before its time. I'd sooner they'd left it a while and done a proper job from the start. Now I'm furious that they got us hooked on a premise that they have been unable to properly deliver

Ah. The hell with it

hmm... the fuse finally went..

Top, where's Mogh's warning?

 

[Enterprise Computer]

Posted by Watch Commander:
The new BSG is great and vastly improved over its birth parent which was a POC. TOS was definately not a POC period and thus don't need such a reimagining. If they did to TRek what Moore did with BSG they better not call it TRek. They can call it something else and I would watch it, but Trek is Trek and has certain principles that guide it. That is the way it should stay. It is possible to write good Trek, we have seen that recently in ENT, that should have been allowed to continue.

I could change what you said to reflect BSG and it would look like a post a year ago in their forums, Young Minds Fresh Ideas!!! Be more open about stuff like that. As it showed a lot of the BDG fans who said this new BSG would fail sometimes you hold onto the past so long and hard that the future could be better but you refuse to admit it. Look at all those TOS fans who refused to give ENT, or even TNG a try.

 

[Noname Given]

Posted by EarthForceOne:
Again people....there is still much to rejoice about....

Stargate SG-1 - About to get an injection of Browder Power

- WAY past it's prime and when the original lead actors start bailing, you'd think Sci Fi would realize this

Stargate: Atlantis - Still Alive and kicking

Yep, let's remake SG-1 with LESS background, worse actors, and instead of using the 'ancient God' motif that might get some viewers interested in learning about the world's mythologies; we'll use 'space vampires' because they'r 'cool'.

Battlestar Galactica - Rocking the free world

And rehashing every old military fighter pilot movie cliche Ron Moore can recall from childhood. Descent show, but hardly groundbreaking or original.

Lost - High ratings + High praise = healthy run

Wow - a dramatic version of Gilligan's Island. Yep, sign me up.

Doctor Who - Commin round the corner

But not in the U.S.

Smallville - apparently still with us

Unfortunarely. Wow WB teen angst not set in a small town or on a mountain, but with a superhero

The 4400 - Great stuff there

Yep, take an old tired cliche (Time Travel from the future to save the past) that's called 'crap' if used in modern Trek, and put it into a 'new' show, and suddenly it's 'original' again.

The Dead Zone - Johnny and the crew keepin it real

I believe this was cancelled in the U.S, a while ago.

Carnivale - having fun during the Great Depression

So good, even Ron Moore (who originally created it but left to craete BSG2004) decided to bail on it.

Folks.... Enterprise may die but there is still amazing sci-fi on TV these days. Fact is the reality TV buble has burst and scripted shows are back. This is not the dark ages of 2 years ago.....this has the potential to be a new renaissance of GOOD sci-fi.

Don't lament over old stuff, bask in the warm light of the new.

No thnks, I'll lament ovr ENT because it WAS good Science Fantasy (much like much of the stuff you've listed above - although neither Smallville, Lost, Carnivale or The Dead Zone even qualify as SF - hell, I'm surprised you didn't list Charmed or Alias - there hasn't been a good 'hard' science fiction show in decades - Trek included).

 

[jkladis]

Posted by Stewey:
*snip*

Thanks I agree a great deal with that analysis. The idea of decanonisation is something I can't jump on board with, though. I guess I can't wrap my brain around the idea. It proposes too much complexity behind the scenes to repair that which did not work out.

Good closing statement. I could use some sleep, too.

 

[Jadzia Dax]

Posted by igrokbok:

I hate it when studios and directors "re-imagine" things like BSG, PLanet of the Apes, etc etc just to cash in on a known commodity. How about this novel idea...CREATE YOUR OWN DAMN IDEA! Wow, wouldn't that be original. Too much to ask anymore I suppose.

I agree 100%. It's one thing to follow a credos of imitation being the best form of flattery, however in these cases, the intent was rather to toot one's own horn, while insulting the original's effort, which is the lazy way out and does indeed show a lack of originality and vision.

 

[Peter the Younger]

A very sad day. It was pretty much what I feared - too little, and far, far too late.

Well, I will enjoy the final episodes (Except perhaps the finale - what an insult, to let those two cowards write the epitaph for "Enterprise.")

 

[Queeg]

Very sad news.

 

[indranee]

Posted by commodore64:

Vash said:
The blame for the cancellation of ENT should be placed squarely on the doorstep of those to whom it belongs - Berman & Braga.

Oh, yes -- don't worry. I blame them, too! I do think UPN in the long run is making a bad decision. Sometimes as a corporate biggie you have to have "vision." You have to invest in things that will make money tomorrow. UPN has never really invested in Enterprise. It's almost like they sabatoged it. UPN didn't stick with Enterprise last year, Paramount had to front most of the cost. Besides, what is UPN gonna put in it's place? And not just that -- Enterprise can run against the other sci-fi shows on the cable networks. I think Les is not very bright, and I hope this decision comes back to bite him.

PG15 -- hugs to you!

Stewey, I think the problem is: have you seen what else Berman is cooking up? That shit scares me! When it wakes up, it'll look like a teen ager and be just as confused as one.

I really wish Berman and Braga would receive a retirement package to move quickly away from Star Trek and Enterprise would continue under Manny Coto, who actually likes TOS and knows how to sort out of the inaccuracies in canon.

I agree with Commie. they (meaning, not only B&B but the rest of the Suits) really screwed us. they could have changed things a long time ago. they could have brought Manny Coto in at the end of season 2. the end of that season was actually good. but I don't think the Xindi storyline did much good. season 4 eps should have been season 3 eps.

I am never, ever, EVER watching anything they have to offer us. EVER AGAIN. and that means B&B AND Paramount/UPN.

 

[The Next Generation]

Star Trek was part of my life since i was a kid.

I begun my adventure with TOS and will end my adventure with enterprise.

We all knew this day would come someday. Its like loosing someone you very much love, but when the time comes you can only remember the happy, fascinating and special moments of star trek.

I thank all the people who worked and produced 5 great shows of Star Trek, and hope that people will, remember and njoy it for a long time.

I will never forget the name enterprise and star trek.

Live long and prosper. r.i.p