Why does Kirk want to blow up Romulus again?
Can Kirk Destroy Romulas?
- Thread starter Plutodawn
- Start date
- Status
Indeed, we don't know if there will even BE a Kelvinverse version of Nero.
It's actually a grandfather paradox...
Something to pass the time on a slow Sunday afternoon? I don't know, this tread is confusing.
Lazarus is a guy with a fine beard, but otherwise we shouldn't try to think about him. That episode was pretty horrible, awesome beard notwithstanding.
Ummm.... Think because the star destabilizes in one timeline, going supernova, the star in every time line stars acting weird, might not lead to supernova, but the star likely will malfunction or die by default.
By default, if Old Spock from other universe is effective by gravity in thus new universe, is the same size, can eat and consume, occupy space.... it shows the multiple timelines share a lot of the same forces, and a few seperate. Something resembling relativity is still at play.
Romulas' star (no clue if I'm spelling that right, I watch the shows, don't read the books) not existing in one timeline messes up the star in many others, it has a lot of mass.
Imagine you go to every alternate universe with a earth, and unleash a black hole on the planet, except here, in our timeline.
You come to our timeline's Earth, your guaranteed to notice physics us going to be off. Time Travel isn't a escape from entropy nor from relativity, it merely introduces Descartes' Monster into irregularities in predictable expected physical reactions with no obvious emperically arrived at explanation.
It would only occur to a scientist able to jump between timestreams, like on DS9 and the alternative space station would a scientist be in a position to explain it, from two perspectives.
Killing NuSpock may effect regular timeline Spock enough that he never moves on in his starfleet career in the original timeline. Destroying NuRomulas may destabilize it enough to encourage the inhabitants to relocate in the old timeline.
That Ethics course would likely be Arius Didymus Stoic Ethics, his Ethics was depositional, based on the physics of the Timeas of topography conductive to good and bad city states relative to one another, who is worthy and unworthy, and who is in a position to know right knowledge.
It is Captain Kirk's duty not just as a Starfleet captain, but as a friend, to shoot Spock in the head, in order to save him. The logic is clear, and I think Spock would argue Kirk into holding the gun to his head and pulling the trigger.... because clearly it is the right thing to do, but only if he promises to destroy Romulas in order to save it. If he doesn't genocide the planet, they won't survive. In time travel, the ends justify the means, he absolutely must shoot Spock and explode that planet!
Once that timeline in gone, reabsorbed into the old one, time's arrow points uniformly foreward once again.
The logic is irrefutable, Spock must die. Spock needs to give a passionate case for his execution, as it leads obviously to his well being and self preservation in the long run.
By default, if Old Spock from other universe is effective by gravity in thus new universe, is the same size, can eat and consume, occupy space.... it shows the multiple timelines share a lot of the same forces, and a few seperate. Something resembling relativity is still at play.
Romulas' star (no clue if I'm spelling that right, I watch the shows, don't read the books) not existing in one timeline messes up the star in many others, it has a lot of mass.
Imagine you go to every alternate universe with a earth, and unleash a black hole on the planet, except here, in our timeline.
You come to our timeline's Earth, your guaranteed to notice physics us going to be off. Time Travel isn't a escape from entropy nor from relativity, it merely introduces Descartes' Monster into irregularities in predictable expected physical reactions with no obvious emperically arrived at explanation.
It would only occur to a scientist able to jump between timestreams, like on DS9 and the alternative space station would a scientist be in a position to explain it, from two perspectives.
Killing NuSpock may effect regular timeline Spock enough that he never moves on in his starfleet career in the original timeline. Destroying NuRomulas may destabilize it enough to encourage the inhabitants to relocate in the old timeline.
That Ethics course would likely be Arius Didymus Stoic Ethics, his Ethics was depositional, based on the physics of the Timeas of topography conductive to good and bad city states relative to one another, who is worthy and unworthy, and who is in a position to know right knowledge.
It is Captain Kirk's duty not just as a Starfleet captain, but as a friend, to shoot Spock in the head, in order to save him. The logic is clear, and I think Spock would argue Kirk into holding the gun to his head and pulling the trigger.... because clearly it is the right thing to do, but only if he promises to destroy Romulas in order to save it. If he doesn't genocide the planet, they won't survive. In time travel, the ends justify the means, he absolutely must shoot Spock and explode that planet!
Once that timeline in gone, reabsorbed into the old one, time's arrow points uniformly foreward once again.
The logic is irrefutable, Spock must die. Spock needs to give a passionate case for his execution, as it leads obviously to his well being and self preservation in the long run.
There's nothing onscreen to indicate the timelines work this way, on the contrary it's made pretty clear they do not. Once they have branched they act independently of each other. Barring the introduction of some technobabble device thus far unseen on screen actions in the Nu Trek universe have no bearing on the Prime timeline. That's actually quite specifically written into the licensing agreements now in that two companies are running the two aspects of the franchise.
Nothing in the Kelvin verse has any influence on the Prime timeline. Destroying Romulus would not influence Nero in any way because his actions were predicated on events in the Prime timeline, which would remain unaffected. As pointed out up thread we don't even know if the Nu Trek universe even produces a 24th century character called Nero, much less whether the disaster which befell Prime Romulus is destined to be mirrored in the branched timeline. For all we know the events of ST 09 allow the various parties to be sufficiently forewarned to prevent the destruction of her star.
Even if we accept that for a moment, that doesn't mean the shockwave will reach Romulus in every time line
1) It wasn't the Romulus star, it is made clear in the movie itself it was another star in another solar system. Which tie-ins have named Hobus.
2) You don't need to read a Star Trek book to know how to spell Romulus. Have you no familiarity with Roman mythology? Because that's where the name Romulus (and Remus) originates.
At this point, I don't even know what the actual fuck you're talking about and am convinced this is just a show for attention. Take it from one who knows, you need to do much better than this.
I agree in full.
Agreed...The more I read the supposed "logic" behind this clearly unethical idea, the more I'm appalled at how idiotic it comes off as especially when it's stated it doesn't solve anything. All it leaves is a lot of unnecessary deaths.
Again, this is like TUC Conspirators levels of logic (Hey, let's work together to convince our respective society we can't work together!)
Again, this is like TUC Conspirators levels of logic (Hey, let's work together to convince our respective society we can't work together!)
Whatever Plutodown is taking, I want some.....
At least in that case I'm pretty sure the irony was intentional...
Bad premise=bad conclusion. Logical? Yes. Accurate? No. Ethical? No.
Fair point, as always sir.
This thread was something quite special, I think. I never thought I'd see someone ask if it were possible for Kirk to shoot Spock in the head so hard that he continues to live but doesn't have as successful of a career, retroactively. It's almost like technobabble in real life!
Kirk shouldn't just destroy Romulus. He should go full-on darkside and start annihilating the Federation's enemy worlds.
George Kirk comes through a time rift and has to stop his son. Presto! Star Trek 4: Maximum Butthurt.
George Kirk comes through a time rift and has to stop his son. Presto! Star Trek 4: Maximum Butthurt.
Until the Borg are discovered, a threat so severe that father and son agree to work together. Shit, this movie's writing itself.
- Status
