Can anyone tell me(trivia question)
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*Are* there any usable canonical Earth dates? I've always assumed most of the Earth-date translations were fan-wank, not truly solid extrapolations. (If the answer is no, there are no canonical Earth dates and thus no solid extrapolations, I just say make it up.)
There was no mention of a calendar date as far as I know. I'd say you have two options here:
1.) Make the date up. If the episode gives a Stardate, you can use it to come up with a rough date.
In the 5-digit Stardates used by the 24th Century shows: The first two digits increase by one each season, the last three get progressively larger as the year progresses. The decimal roughly indicates time of day.
2.) Alternatively, you could ask this question in the Trek Literature forum. There may be a non-canon date from the novels. If there is, I guarantee at least one of the writers in there will know it.
1.) Make the date up. If the episode gives a Stardate, you can use it to come up with a rough date.
In the 5-digit Stardates used by the 24th Century shows: The first two digits increase by one each season, the last three get progressively larger as the year progresses. The decimal roughly indicates time of day.
2.) Alternatively, you could ask this question in the Trek Literature forum. There may be a non-canon date from the novels. If there is, I guarantee at least one of the writers in there will know it.
The closest stardates to the attack would be 52576 for "Penumbra" which starts the final story arc (and apparently precedes the Breen attack by mere days), and 52645 for "Extreme Measures" which takes place several days or more probably weeks after the attack.
So the attack would take place a bit after the midpoint of the stardate year 52000. But stardate years probably don't begin in January, as we e.g. hear that First Contact Day in April 4th coincides with the last three digits 868. By that reckoning, a date close to the 52576 of "Penumbra" would probably be in late December, 2374 or early January, 2375.
The short story "Eleven Hours Out" in the Tales of the Dominion War anthology probably gives more exact dates, but I don't have the book available right now. (I also happen to disagree with the description of the attack in that story in so many ways that I hesitate to recommend it as source material.)
Timo Saloniemi
So the attack would take place a bit after the midpoint of the stardate year 52000. But stardate years probably don't begin in January, as we e.g. hear that First Contact Day in April 4th coincides with the last three digits 868. By that reckoning, a date close to the 52576 of "Penumbra" would probably be in late December, 2374 or early January, 2375.
The short story "Eleven Hours Out" in the Tales of the Dominion War anthology probably gives more exact dates, but I don't have the book available right now. (I also happen to disagree with the description of the attack in that story in so many ways that I hesitate to recommend it as source material.)
Timo Saloniemi
True but Trek focuses more on the American born characters anyway. We know the exact state in America Kirk, Sisko & Janeway are from, we have no idea what part Scotland or Ireland Scotty & O'Brian are from. No clue to which part of Europe that Bashir comes from or where in Africa Uhura hails from. International & Alien characters origins are unknown other than the country or planet they came from. I don't even recall them saying where exactly in France Picard is from.
Even on Voyager, their main focus was to get back to Earth dispite the fact that Tuvok, Chakotay, Be'Lanna and a bunch more don't live there.
The Borg, the Breen & Xindi all attacked targets in America.
Nation states are alive and well in the 24th century and from what we can tell most people in Star Fleet are American, not to mention Star Fleet HQ is in America, of course it would have psycological effects.
And Bashir is from England.
By the way from watching DS9 it seems that O'Brian is from Northern Ireland since he more than once sang old British nationalistic/folk songs with Bashir etc
And Bashir is from England.
By the way from watching DS9 it seems that O'Brian is from Northern Ireland since he more than once sang old British nationalistic/folk songs with Bashir etc
Exactly where in England?
That's my point, we know Janeway is from Iowa within the US but what exact city or town in England is Bashir from? What town in Northern Ireland is O'Brian from? They never get into that much detail when it comes to the International members of the crew.
I'm thinking of it from an in-universe POV, as well as a non-American POV, though--surely, if the Breen want the date of their attack to have any significant psychological effect, they'd stage it on a date that had significance to Federation (or at least Earth) citizens, not just the citizens of one nation state on Earth.
From an out-of-universe POV, non-Americans tend to view the importance to which Americans attach national symbolism a little... silly. If your story is to have an international audience, they'll be (at best) unaffected by July 4th as a date, will probably find it unintentionally amusing, and at worst may find it a bit offensive. (Anti-American sentiment can flare up pretty strongly around the American penchant for over-the-top symbolism.)
And from an artistic POV, well, it's just... really over-the-top. Not an Omega Glory-level cringe, but definitely ham-handed. I'd recommend against it.
From an out-of-universe POV, non-Americans tend to view the importance to which Americans attach national symbolism a little... silly. If your story is to have an international audience, they'll be (at best) unaffected by July 4th as a date, will probably find it unintentionally amusing, and at worst may find it a bit offensive. (Anti-American sentiment can flare up pretty strongly around the American penchant for over-the-top symbolism.)
And from an artistic POV, well, it's just... really over-the-top. Not an Omega Glory-level cringe, but definitely ham-handed. I'd recommend against it.
I disagree.
The International market often gets exclusive box sets & DVD releases that aren't available in the States. For example: Japan recieved a limited edition box set of the Aliens movies, while just recently slim packs of the Trek were released in Europe but not in the US.
Europe as far as I know, has always been more accepting of sci-fi over America.
Yes mrs260 , you are correct.
Well I'm talking about Star TRek the show not aliens.
Still I think 4th of July is pretty important even in the future. I can't see that date ever lose its significance for a great leading part of the world, and I sure would use that date to attack and demoralize Earth. Only other date I can think of with the same significance would be Christmas.
Of course the Breen could just have attacked on some random date too, altough that's hardly as fun from a story point of view
Still I think 4th of July is pretty important even in the future. I can't see that date ever lose its significance for a great leading part of the world, and I sure would use that date to attack and demoralize Earth. Only other date I can think of with the same significance would be Christmas.
Of course the Breen could just have attacked on some random date too, altough that's hardly as fun from a story point of view
Thank you Timo. Thank you Mrs260. And, yes, it will appear on the fanfic forum with the title "A Death In The Family". Its in my head but I still have to write it. I write fast though and this thing REALLY wants out so it should be soon. I'm knocking out the Jan Challenge right now and then on to that. Thanks for the help. (BLATANT PLUG WARNING_Feel free to check out the stories I've already posted over the last month and leave a comment, good or bad)
Picard is from La Barre, France. Scotty is said to be from Linlothgow or Aberdeen. O'Brien is from Killarney.
