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I don't understand the point of "bringing back" extras who had no, or virtually no, lines in any of the shows. It's not like the voice would be recognizable. And we have no idea if the extras could actually...act.

If you're going to do such a deep lore dive, just mention them casually. Like have the captain read of the captains of an entire squadron of ships which are exclusively helmed by former TNG extras.
 
Because it doesn't make sense for the story as presented.
why doesn't riker learning some history make sense?
It didn't make sense in context of the story. Picard, Quark and even Cochrane made sense in context, and not just fan service.
why does a high-ranking former enterprise vet visiting the new one make no sense?
Having it make sense in context of the story is a better reason. I don't have objections to characters appearing but have it make sense in the context of the story, and have those characters fit in a way that suits those characters and the story being told. Having them randomly show up 'cause "connecting eras" is not a good enough reason for me. It's fan service for the sake of fan service.
why would a franchise not service its fans once in a while? :p
 
why doesn't riker learning some history make sense?
In the middle of a crisis situation? No, it makes no sense.
why does a high-ranking former enterprise vet visiting the new one make no sense?
Oh, this old admiral is just wandering the ship? I guess we'll just let him...McCoy was supposedly there to inspect the medical facilities and yet has been there all day. Again, it makes no sense. And his interactions with Data are just there to have McCoy complain about transporters and Vulcans-again. It's not additive.
why would a franchise not service its fans once in a while? :p
Because then fan service becomes the expectation rather than "once in a while."
 
In the middle of a crisis situation? No, it makes no sense.
he was on the bridge when they started their search, and on the ship when they approached it. they pretended to keep searching for hours, IIRC.

Oh, this old admiral is just wandering the ship? I guess we'll just let him...McCoy was supposedly there to inspect the medical facilities and yet has been there all day. Again, it makes no sense. And his interactions with Data are just there to have McCoy complain about transporters and Vulcans-again. It's not additive.
sure, admirals who were on predecessors of flagships are not allowed to stay longer than needed, or to look at anything besides sickbay. they're also not allowed to interact with the new crew. XD

Because then fan service becomes the expectation rather than "once in a while."
this makes no sense.
 
he was on the bridge when they started their search, and on the ship when they approached it. they pretended to keep searching for hours, IIRC.
It doesn't make sense in the context of that story. It's Riker just moving about, no sense of urgency, no push to make a decision.
sure, admirals who were on predecessors of flagships are not allowed to stay longer than needed, or to look at anything besides sickbay. they're also not allowed to interact with the new crew. XD
What did his interaction with Data add? Did we learn something new? Was McCoy's character additive to the world as a whole? In my opinion, no. McCoy was showed to be old and cranky, and continuing on with his fear of the transporter even though he had used multiple times from TMP to TUC. And still has a thing about Vulcans being annoying. That equals character...
this makes no sense.
Really? Because it's becoming the drum beat of demand around fan circles that I spend time in is fan service. We already have a bunch in Discovery and Picard and now SNW. The moment a new show appears the speculation (and demands) start. "We want Worf! Where's Crusher!? Geordi should appear!" It's a band being yelled at to play their first album rather than their newest stuff.
 
Really? Because it's becoming the drum beat of demand around fan circles that I spend time in is fan service. We already have a bunch in Discovery and Picard and now SNW. The moment a new show appears the speculation (and demands) start. "We want Worf! Where's Crusher!? Geordi should appear!" It's a band being yelled at to play their first album rather than their newest stuff.

The average All Access subscriber is 44. This is much younger than the median CBS broadcast viewer, but basically the age where there would be peak nostalgia for Berman Trek.
 
The average All Access subscriber is 44. This is much younger than the median CBS broadcast viewer, but basically the age where there would be peak nostalgia for Berman Trek.
So, yeah, nostalgic demands rather than wanting something new...:sigh:

If I want the old stuff I'll turn on TOS or something.
 
Listening to McMahan's quote about cameos he said "It's rare for someone that important to show up on the Cerritos, but it's fun."

That seems to suggest these will not be glorified extras, but actual main characters from TNG/DS9/VOY.
 
It doesn't make sense in the context of that story. It's Riker just moving about, no sense of urgency, no push to make a decision.
how long did it take to get to that system? pressman went to 10 fwd, pressman and picard had a drink in his quarters, riker played with a bat'leth on the holodeck, finding the ship in the asteroid took 6 h, they waited till the next morning to return to it, picard had dinner in his quarters, riker had "the luxury of time"...
What did his interaction with Data add? Did we learn something new? Was McCoy's character additive to the world as a whole? In my opinion, no. McCoy was showed to be old and cranky, and continuing on with his fear of the transporter even though he had used multiple times from TMP to TUC. And still has a thing about Vulcans being annoying. That equals character...
does the last scene of an episode have to add anything to the world? we learned he's still alive. which last scene of an episode was additive enough for you?

Really? Because it's becoming the drum beat of demand around fan circles that I spend time in is fan service. We already have a bunch in Discovery and Picard and now SNW. The moment a new show appears the speculation (and demands) start. "We want Worf! Where's Crusher!? Geordi should appear!" It's a band being yelled at to play their first album rather than their newest stuff.
and they only demand appearances of old characters because bones was on the D? otherwise no fan would have that idea? XD
 
how long did it take to get to that system? pressman went to 10 fwd, pressman and picard had a drink in his quarters, riker played with a bat'leth on the holodeck, finding the ship in the asteroid took 6 h, they waited till the next morning to return to it, picard had dinner in his quarters, riker had "the luxury of time"...
Ah, so the odd meandering is a feature not bug? Yeah, sorry, it doesn't fit for me. It's a bizarre way to handle a crisis that was handled better in the Pegasus episode itself. Riker comes across as bored in TATV, and lacks that emotional intensity.
does the last scene of an episode have to add anything to the world? we learned he's still alive. which last scene of an episode was additive enough for you?
Very few actually. Which is a rather unfortunate thing.
and they only demand appearances of old characters because bones was on the D? otherwise no fan would have that idea? XD
Since that isn't what I said I'll just assume you're joking and move on.
 
Ah, so the odd meandering is a feature not bug? Yeah, sorry, it doesn't fit for me. It's a bizarre way to handle a crisis that was handled better in the Pegasus episode itself. Riker comes across as bored in TATV, and lacks that emotional intensity.
all those the things i mentioned, people having time, were shown in pegasus itself
Very few actually. Which is a rather unfortunate thing.
so it fits well with the rest and does what almost all episodes do. what's the problem?
Since that isn't what I said I'll just assume you're joking and move on.
you wrote "fan service becomes the expectation" after it is done once in a while - what else did you mean then?
 
Given the show’s name (and the fact it’s the creators favorite TNG episode), I won’t be surprised if we see one of the characters from the original “Lower Decks.” My bet would be LaVelle, but maybe Ben would be the sort of offbeat choice we should expect from the show.
 
all those the things i mentioned, people having time, were shown in pegasus itself
The tone doesn't fit. Riker's inclusion in the ENT story doesn't work. Not sure what else I can say that hasn't already been said.
so it fits well with the rest and does what almost all episodes do. what's the problem?
It doesn't fit and isn't additive. The fact that other episodes have similar tags doesn't inspire confidence that they will work this time.
you wrote "fan service becomes the expectation" after it is done once in a while - what else did you mean then?
That fan demands do not make good stories. That fan service is not a good thing.
 
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