Bush just said goodbye!

[Tiberius Jim]

Tell me that freeing people from slavery and dictatorship was not a noble cause.

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

World War II wasn't "our fight" either. I guess we should have just let the Nazi's take out the rest of Europe unchallenged, hmm?

 

[Trekker4747]

To blame the President for the recession is silly. Were you out there lauding him for the prosperity over his first seven years?

If I was profiting any from it, sure, I may have. But, I'll admit, I'm not one to laude.

But, OK, sure he did a good job when the ecnomy was doing well.

And some of us (most of our servicepeople included) believe spreading democracy is indeed a noble cause. It's what makes us the greatest nation on Earth.

It's not our job or place to "spread democracy" not at the cost of 1000s of lives and when it's costing us billions and we've plenty of problems to solve here before we go off to solve the problems of others.

And not to Godwin, but there was another group of people who thought it was their "duty" to spread their political ideals and force them onto others.

 

[Trekker4747]

Tell me that freeing people from slavery and dictatorship was not a noble cause.

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

World War II wasn't "our fight" either. I guess we should have just let the Nazi's take out the rest of Europe unchallenged, hmm?

The Nazi's what?

(PSSST An apostrophe is not used to make a world plural! This is basic, basic grammar.)

And WW2 was a whole other situation that eventually could've become our problem.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

To blame the President for the recession is silly. Were you out there lauding him for the prosperity over his first seven years?

If I was profiting any from it, sure, I may have. But, I'll admit, I'm not one to laude.

But, OK, sure he did a good job when the ecnomy was doing well.

And some of us (most of our servicepeople included) believe spreading democracy is indeed a noble cause. It's what makes us the greatest nation on Earth.

It's not our job or place to "spread democracy" not at the cost of 1000s of lives and when it's costing us billions and we've plenty of problems to solve here before we go off to solve the problems of others.

And not to Godwin, but there was another group of people who thought it was their "duty" to spread their political ideals and force them onto others.

Yes, it IS our place to spread freedom. Unless you equate fascism to freedom.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yes, it IS our place to spread freedom. Unless you equate fascism to freedom.

How?

Who are WE to march into another country and force freedom on them?

 

[Kryton]

Where in the Constitution is that stated? Provide a link or STFU about it.

 

[Sephiroth]

Could you tell me which right of yours has been taken away? Name the right. Tell me where you denied it.

The USA PATRIOT Act



My 401(k) is in the shitter because of Bush's mis-management of the economy. He may not be directly responsible but being the President he's the top man, he's in charge, I give him the blame.

Tell me that freeing people from slavery and dictatorship was not a noble cause.

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

Although you don't believe it, you've been kept freer and safer because of the Patriot Act. I'll agree to disagree.

To blame the President for the recession is silly. Were you out there lauding him for the prosperity over his first seven years?

And some of us (most of our servicepeople included) believe spreading democracy is indeed a noble cause. It's what makes us the greatest nation on Earth.

#1 He who would sacrifice freedom for protection deserve neither

#2 first seven years? more like first seven MONTHS

#3 speak for yourself


-Staff Sgt. Sephiroth

 

[Meat Tenderizer]

Could you tell me which right of yours has been taken away? Name the right. Tell me where you denied it.

The USA PATRIOT Act

Which right have been denied? Where have you been stoppedin your exercise of freedom? Name a specific incident.

Tell me of your economic suffering, and then expound on how Bush was the cause of that.

My 401(k) is in the shitter because of Bush's mis-management of the economy. He may not be directly responsible but being the President he's the top man, he's in charge, I give him the blame.

Please explain to me how Bush was directly or indirectly at fault.

Tell me that freeing people from slavery and dictatorship was not a noble cause.

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

Far more more Americans were lost in the Civil War for far less gain.

 

[Trekker4747]

Could you tell me which right of yours has been taken away? Name the right. Tell me where you denied it.

The USA PATRIOT Act

Which right have been denied? Where have you been stoppedin your exercise of freedom? Name a specific incident.

Me, personally? None.

The USA PATRIOT ACT allows for the possiblity if TPTB see or want the need.

The FBI and other agencies have already been found to use the powers given them by that abomination pissing on the Constitution against people who were not suspected terrorists.

 

[Turbo]

GO AWAY QUIETLY PLEASE.

Tell me that freeing people from slavery and dictatorship was not a noble cause.

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

Far more more Americans were lost in the Civil War for far less gain.

When was the last time you saw people claiming that the Civil War was the only possible way to end slavery in the US? It only came about after 20 years of missed opportunities to avert the crisis, under failed leaders such as Pierce and Buchanan.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

World War II wasn't "our fight" either. I guess we should have just let the Nazi's take out the rest of Europe unchallenged, hmm?

The Nazi's what?

(PSSST An apostrophe is not used to make a world plural! This is basic, basic grammar.)

And WW2 was a whole other situation that eventually could've become our problem.

Sure, focus on a trivial grammatical error rather than fully discuss the point I brought up.

And as far as grammatical errors go, you're the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Meat Tenderizer]

The USA PATRIOT Act

Which right have been denied? Where have you been stoppedin your exercise of freedom? Name a specific incident.

Me, personally? None.

The USA PATRIOT ACT allows for the possiblity if TPTB see or want the need.

The FBI and other agencies have already been found to use the powers given them by that abomination pissing on the Constitution against people who were not suspected terrorists.

And the FBI never did anything of the sort before the PATRIOT Act was enacted?

 

[Meat Tenderizer]

GO AWAY QUIETLY PLEASE.

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

Far more more Americans were lost in the Civil War for far less gain.

When was the last time you saw people claiming that the Civil War was the only possible way to end slavery in the US? It only came about after 20 years of missed opportunities to avert the crisis, under failed leaders such as Pierce and Buchanan.

The Civil War never had to be fought. It was never inevitable. The politicians at the time could have avoided it.

Was the freedom of millions of slaves worth the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans?

 

[Turbo]

A noble cause, sure. But not our fight at the cost of 1000s of American lives. We've our only problems here with poverty, turmoil, and strife. We don't need to be overseas spending billions and throwing away lives to give OTHERS freedom.

World War II wasn't "our fight" either. I guess we should have just let the Nazi's take out the rest of Europe unchallenged, hmm?

To be fair, Hitler was running amok in Europe, but it took an attack from Japan on America to turn the tide of public opinion enough to allow FDR to bring the US fully into the war. Also, when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, we got the first Gulf War, and we should have removed the man from power then.

This time, however, we were the invaders. There is no evidence that Saddam was planning to attack us or any other sovereign nation. I'm not saying that he should have stayed in power, not at all, but we had no justification for invading Iraq.

 

[Maestro]

I think I'm ready to say goodbye.

 

[Turbo]

Far more more Americans were lost in the Civil War for far less gain.

When was the last time you saw people claiming that the Civil War was the only possible way to end slavery in the US? It only came about after 20 years of missed opportunities to avert the crisis, under failed leaders such as Pierce and Buchanan.

The Civil War never had to be fought. It was never inevitable. The politicians at the time could have avoided it.

Was the freedom of millions of slaves worth the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans?

Firstly, I'm also saying that the Civil War could have been avoided - but that was only before Lincoln's election. By that time, the country was so polarized that war was unavoidable - as evidenced by South Carolina's prompt secession. It was the Pierce and Buchanan years which fostered this climate. If things had been different then, the Civil War might never have happened.

Was it worth it? That's a rather loaded question, especially in light of your claim that the war was NOT inevitable. Given that, I say that it's not worth it, if there was another solution. (Which there was.)

 

[Meat Tenderizer]

When was the last time you saw people claiming that the Civil War was the only possible way to end slavery in the US? It only came about after 20 years of missed opportunities to avert the crisis, under failed leaders such as Pierce and Buchanan.

The Civil War never had to be fought. It was never inevitable. The politicians at the time could have avoided it.

Was the freedom of millions of slaves worth the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans?

Firstly, I'm also saying that the Civil War could have been avoided - but that was only before Lincoln's election. By that time, the country was so polarized that war was unavoidable - as evidenced by South Carolina's prompt secession. It was the Pierce and Buchanan years which fostered this climate. If things had been different then, the Civil War might never have happened.

Was it worth it? That's a rather loaded question, especially in light of your claim that the war was NOT inevitable. Given that, I say that it's not worth it, if there was another solution. (Which there was.)

I guess it all depends on your point of view.

 

[TGTheodore]

And, quite ironically given how unpopular he is, GWB is also on the verge of breaking the so-called "20-year curse," wherein every U.S. President first elected in a round-numbered year (which comes every five election cycles, or 20 years) has either died or, in the case of Ronald Reagan, narrowly survived an assassination attempt while in office.

Well, "selected" more than "elected".

Don't let the White House door hit you in the ass on the way out. And thanks for leaving a ton of shit for Obama to have to clean up.

I wish you a long and happy life, but you should never, never have ever been a President of the United States.

--Ted

 

[RJDiogenes]

Grow the fuck up already.

Grow the fuck up lefties.

Provide a link or STFU about it.

Let's keep it civil in here, please.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

And good riddence!


I think he meant the speech to leave a good feeling about him and his
Presidency. Didn't happen. I hope his life goes well as long and he stays
far from politics from here on out.

About time that this show got cancelled... wait a minute, this isn't the "TV & Media" forum, right?

Anyway, at times I thought that these eight years were never going to end. And now there are only four days left.