Bumpy Headed Klingons in Star Trek XI?

[elric428]

If Trek XI has Klingons, what kind will they use? Will it respect Star Trek Enterprise's continuity explanation?

 

[ancient]

If there are Klingons I'm guessing they'll look like the Movie Klingons or possibly the TNG Klingons. (The movie klingons only have a bumpy forehead, but not the nose)

The whole Klingon-head issue was always a bit of a *wink wink* affair anyway.

My guess is that there'll be at least a few token klingons.

 

[Holytomato]

Nope.

TMP, Search for Spock, The Voyage Home, The Final Frontier, The Undiscovered Country, TNG Season 1, TNG Season 2, TNG Season 3, TNG Season 4, TNG Season 5, TNG Season 6, TNG Season 7, Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, Nemesis, DS9 Seasons 1, DS9 Season 2, DS9 Season 3, DS9 Season 4, DS9 Season 5 ,6, 7, Voyager Season 1, Voyager Season 2, Voyager Season 3, Voyager Season 4, Voyager Season 5, Voyager Season 6, and Voyager Season 7, didn't. Why should Star Trek XI?

Enterprise had Bumpy headed Klingons. It didn't respect TOS's continuity. Nor did TMP, Search for Spock, The Voyage Home, The Final Frontier, The Undiscovered Country, TNG Season 1, TNG Season 2, TNG Season 3, TNG Season 4, TNG Season 5, TNG Season 6, TNG Season 7, Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, Nemesis, DS9 Seasons 1, DS9 Season 2, DS9 Season 3, DS9 Season 4, DS9 Season 5 ,6, 7, Voyager Season 1, Voyager Season 2, Voyager Season 3, Voyager Season 4, Voyager Season 5, Voyager Season 6, and Voyager Season 7, didn't. Why should Star Trek XI?

"Klingon's had a virus that made them go from bumpy to flat headed like us!? Screw this! We want more Kirk! We want more Spock! We want more..."

Roddenberry TMP: "Klingons always had bumpy foreheads."

:thumbsup:

 

[ancient]

The bumps were "cloaked" in TOS.

Yeah...that's it...move along...

 

[InstantKarma]

It has never been said that ALL Klingons got the Phlox injection.

It's fanboy speculation to say that the entire empire had flat heads.

 

[Jack Bauer]

There might be both kinds.

 

[Meteo]

...And with John M. Ford, another, Klingon/Romulan fusion.

I always liked his version of that.

 

[Cyrus]

They can have either or both types of Klingon. It doesn't matter. The explanation offered by ENT covers it either way.

 

[JoeZhang]

Nobody wants to be associated with failure - so I doubt they will do more than lipservice for the same group of fans that watched ENT.

 

[Cyrus]

Any type of Klingon showing up on this movie doesn't associate the movie with ENT. The way it was handled on ENT both types of Klingons could be around during TOS time, so they don't have to worry about any canon violations. And there is no need to explain anything (or make any reference to the ENT Klingon episode) since that would be just needless exposition, which hopefully the writers are smart enough to avoid.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Anything but making the Klingons look like they did in the last two decades of Star Trek would be confusing for anyone who doesn't follow "canon". Of course the Klingons have to have their usual head ridges in this film, without needing an explanation.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

If you ask me (and I know nobody did), there never should have been an explanation to begin with. Devoting two hours to the issue of klingon foreheads was, in my mind, one of the low points of Star Trek history.

 

[starburst]

They obviously felt they had to explain it in Ent because fans demanded it

Depends if they have Klingons in it at all, but if they are they will likely be bumpy headed as its more recognisable plus the average person doesnt care about whats 'canon'

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

starburst said:
They obviously felt they had to explain it in Ent because fans demanded it

Which is why pandering to the fans can be a mistake. Besides, fans had been theorizing and "demanding it" ever since the first scene of TMP was viewed. The difference is that prior to that the powers that be had enough sense to leave it alone.

 

[Cyrus]

The writers were not pandering to anyone. They did it because they came up with an explanation that they liked and it tied nicely to their augments trilogy. I was one of the people who believed they should never explain the Klingon forehead issue but I loved their explanation.

Whether it was a good idea or not is something that has been debated to death in ENT and GTD forums, so hopefully we are not going to do a rehash of it here since the movie almost certainly will not do a direct reference to it.

 

[starburst]

EliyahuQeoni said:

starburst said:
They obviously felt they had to explain it in Ent because fans demanded it

Which is why pandering to the fans can be a mistake. Besides, fans had been theorizing and "demanding it" ever since the first scene of TMP was viewed. The difference is that prior to that the powers that be had enough sense to leave it alone.

Personally never cared, I thought mayb something happened which turned them into bumpy heads or the Roddenberry said they were always like that. When Ent came out with bumpy heads it just went with this idea.

Hopefully we will just have bumpy headed Klingons and no explanation...way it should be

 

[Timo]

It's a bit unlikely we will see ANY sort of Klingons in this movie, considering the plot rumoredly revolves around Romulans. Why confuse the audiences with anything more than a token reference to other alien species?

OTOH, if there is a Trek XII, and if it involves the new TOS cast, it might be about Klingons. And if it really is about Klingons, then it might be worthwhile to throw the audiences a curveball regarding who the Klingons are. For XI, the writers have to explain who the Romulans are, at least in the most generic terms. For XII, they have to do that with Klingons. The explanation could be dull and unsurprising - or it could involve something that takes the audiences back to the last time they saw a TOS cast (as opposed to a movie cast) butting heads with these villains.

There's mileage left in the classic Trek villains. Not to wrangle that mileage out of them would be a mistake. XI can't be a retelling of known Kirk or Spock facts, the way the content-free "B5: In the Beginning" was. Something new has to be done with the established characters. It would be a commendable idea to also apply that to Klingons, Romulans and other TOS trademarks.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[martin]

If the film involves the Kobayashi Maru, then isn't that confirmation of a Klingon presence.

 

[Timo]

That would create something of a contradiction. Back in the TOS and pre-TOS days, there would be no "neutral zone" where Klingons could lay in wait. So the scenario can't play out exactly like it did in ST2.

And generally speaking, it would make no sense for the scenario to play out exactly like ST2 anyway. It's supposed to confuse the testees as to its purpose - they're not supposed to realize it's a test of their abilities to cope with defeat. If it were the same from class to class, everybody would know going in that this is the one where they have to lose with style.

Apart from that, we don't know whether Kirk and the Klingons share a long history of conflict. "Errand of Mercy" could be interpreted either way. It's quite possible Kirk never saw a live Klingon before that episode.

I just hope the first encounter between Kirk and a Klingon will be momentous, not just some silly simulation...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[martin]

There may be no neutral zone, but the ship could be in Klingon space, and if Kirk's solution was to make the Klingons fear him, this could be lead to a future confrontation where he under-estimates them.