Oh, yes I know that. I'm wondering if that is truly what the Master was referring to. He seemed to be including himself at times in the category. And also was the burrower demon in Lonely Hearts an Old One?
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I do. Thanks.
You forgot the bit in between these 2.
Darla - 1880 London - Drusilla feeds of a sailor and first sees William.
"Ciao!"
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Actually, the only Wolfram and Hart mystery I can't fathom is what the hell is so scary about a hart? It's like a male deer, right? I can see how scary a wolf is, or even a ram, but what the hell is so scary about a deer that it's part of Angel's triumvirate of evil? I mean, this is an animal too stupid to get out of the way of a moving car when you shine your brights at it, but it's a senior partner???
They are all primordial spirits or gods, pagan gods (of good by the way). It's really rather weird that these gods of good are depicted as evil - arbitrary, I might add:
The Wolf - the noble beast, the warrior noble in many legends, most notably part of the creation myth of the Native Americans, where he is sent after the Raven that stole the Moon. When he finds the raven he finds out the bird only stole the moon to protect it from something much nastier. They defeat the real evil and restore the moon to its rightful place. Fenrir the Wolf of Viking myths is about the only wolf I can think of in Pagan mythology that is evil. Of course, Odin had three wolves as pets that fought by his side so...
Ram / Hart - Are both avatars of the horned god, Cernunnos, aka Saturn, and his original incarnation: Enki (and as such Eya, Ya, Yawheh). He's the god that dies at harvest time, and rises again at the winter solstice, in the process vanquishing death and keeping all the nasties trapped in the underworld where they belong, as well as bringing warmth and life back to the world. Amongst his many titles: vanquisher of death, protector of the light, creator and guardian of mankind, god of the abyss, god of the underworld, god of fertility, and god of virility. (This god, is the inspiration for the depiction of Satan/the Devil, so that might have something to do with choosing it as god-like demons of evil. Tara would have loved to have a little word with Joss & co. about this.)
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I think the implication was that the Master had been a Vampire so long (since the BC era) that he had reached a point wherein, upon being freed from his mystic prison in "Prophecy Girl", he became a pure demon creature.
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The Master was born around 800 AD, so no I don't think so. It's more like the Master was suffering from megalomania. The fool simply thought he'd be respected by the old ones and rule as an equal; in real life one of the old ones would squash him like a bug.
(Kakistos was from the BC era and so old his hands and feet were cloven hooves. The Master was never so old as that.)
Wasn't it stated that the Master was the oldest Vampire in the entire series, even more than Kakistos and the Prince of Lies? They also had inhuman features but for both of them these features were different, so just because Kakistos had cloven feet doesn't make him older it just means his permanent alteration was different from the Master's. If anything the Master looked like a Turok-Han (the primal Vampires).
Where was it stated that the Master was born in 800 AD? I know originally he was supposed to only be 600 years old but Whedon scrapped that idea after considering it.
I don't remember precisely, but I do not think the Master was that old.
I don't remember. But that sounds like typical Whedon. "Who cares if it doesn't make sense and contradicts continuity. It's cool, and there for makes sense!".
They sell that crap at the airport.
The Buffy Season 8 comic book brings back Dracula for the "Wolves at the Gate" arc, and it explains his powers a bit. They're part of the ancient magics; Dracula says he is their earthly guardian, and that he risked his very soul to attain them (I'll assume he's speaking metaphorically, since I sincerely doubt he has a soul). He also lost the secrets of his powers to a group of Japanese vampires looking to defeat Buffy and her Slayer army.
As for the Master, I figured that maybe he was sired by a Turok-Han, which would explain his apparently-permanent grotesque visage (I guess that, fortunately for Darla, the demonic presence in his blood was diluted enough to allow her to look human when she wanted to, like most vampires).
As for the Master, I figured that maybe he was sired by a Turok-Han, which would explain his apparently-permanent grotesque visage (I guess that, fortunately for Darla, the demonic presence in his blood was diluted enough to allow her to look human when she wanted to, like most vampires).
The Master being 800 years old comes from the original script for Welcome to the Hellmouth I believe, and gives his original human name as Heinrich Joseph Nest.
Neither are mentioned onscreen so take it what you will
As for Dracula, it was explained in the episode
RILEY: But he's not just a regular vampire. I mean, he has special powers, right?
SPIKE: Nothing but showy gypsy stuff. What's it to you, anyway?
That works for me
Neither are mentioned onscreen so take it what you will
As for Dracula, it was explained in the episode
RILEY: But he's not just a regular vampire. I mean, he has special powers, right?
SPIKE: Nothing but showy gypsy stuff. What's it to you, anyway?
That works for me
The 800 year thing doesn't work, because we saw him turn Darla 400 years ago and he already looked the way he does in the show. If his new face is the result of being a vampire that long, he would've only been 400 years himself and Darla should also look like the Master.
I think he's way older, like older than Kakistos.
Random.
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He doesn't look like that because he's old, he looks like that because he's vamped out.
Then he'd have cloven hands and feet.
