Concrete cracks. I think they would be repatching it every episode after they get hit by enemy disruptors. Besides, it wouldn't have to be the same metal the hull is made of. I'm sure they have lots of different types of alloys to use.
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Well obviously it doesn't, the set and therefore the ship have vast amounts of it in the engineering section. Don't remember any of it cracking during the Scotty scenes during the black hole sequence. Infact engineering looked to have suffered the least...
I don't believe the set is actually taking the full force of Klingon Disruptors, though the fictional ship might be. And concrete cracks plenty in buildings that aren't moving, I don't believe it would be optimal for a spaceship.
At least Budweiser isn't serve at room temperature, as "beer" is on some distant islands.
Beer snobbery - as much fun and just as meaningful as Kirk versus Picard. 
Why not make a starship’s entire hull of concrete? They make boats out of it, you know.
Why can't the concrete be some kind of futuristic concrete that doesn't crack? 300 years in the future ought to be enough to develop that kind of technology. Maybe its some type of silica epoxy that is simply the same color as concrete.
I see this B.S. excuse used everywhere else on this forum to justify things that today's technology can't do, so why would this be any different?
Fine by me - I liked the industrial look of the engineering section in the 2009 Trek film, provided by the Budweiser Brewery as a set - I think that's what an engine room SHOULD look like, not ultra neat, like in TNG - an engine room should look like a place where specialized mechanics maintain an engine.
Even if it had big cracks in it, after seeing the end of the film that'd only mean it were made of the same stuff the bridge was!
Can't say i'm thrilled to hear the brewery-drive is back. Of all the questionable design choices made for nuTrek i'd have to say it's by far my least favourite.
I know they have made noises saying that it was an effort to make it look industrial and realistic, but after seeing it in the film it just felt like they'd spent all their budget on the bridge set and couldnt afford a decent engineering room too.
If they must insist on reusing the brewery-drive, i hope they put a bit more effort into disguising it this time around.
I agree it should look like a place where specialists maintain the engine and more industrial than the tv show engine rooms. But the brewery-drive didnt achieve that in my opinion. It was too obviously a brewery, it didnt suspend disbelief for me for a second nor look like i'd imagine an engine to. It was just a mess of pipes and catwalks, with a few vats thrown in for good measure.
Like i said they need to at least attempt to disguise the more obvious brewery elements. It wouldn't have killed them to stick a label on a vat saying 'Warning: Deuterium May Be Hot" or a few monitors here and there.
I know they have made noises saying that it was an effort to make it look industrial and realistic, but after seeing it in the film it just felt like they'd spent all their budget on the bridge set and couldnt afford a decent engineering room too.
If they must insist on reusing the brewery-drive, i hope they put a bit more effort into disguising it this time around.
I agree it should look like a place where specialists maintain the engine and more industrial than the tv show engine rooms. But the brewery-drive didnt achieve that in my opinion. It was too obviously a brewery, it didnt suspend disbelief for me for a second nor look like i'd imagine an engine to. It was just a mess of pipes and catwalks, with a few vats thrown in for good measure.
Like i said they need to at least attempt to disguise the more obvious brewery elements. It wouldn't have killed them to stick a label on a vat saying 'Warning: Deuterium May Be Hot" or a few monitors here and there.
Thermal concrete was a material composed mostly of silicon, used by Starfleet in the 23rd century. ["Devil in the Dark"]
Monitors and control stations were there in quantity and—while I don't specifically recall one about deuterium—there were labels pasted everywhere, including the one reading "inert reactant" on the Big See-Thru Pipe™. (See for yourself.)
The fact remains that the brewery looks like an industrial complex built in the mid-20th century. If it's supposed to be a ship's engine room, then those engines must have pistons. Or at the most advanced, they might be steam or gas turbines.
If the Gorn can be a fearsome lizard monster and not a man in a bad rubber suit, Klingons can be aliens and not guys with latex on their heads, if McCoy's salt shakers can be advanced medical equipment etc etc, then the Enterprise's brewery can be a high tech yet grungy engineering secion.
Besides, we saw the Enterprise was powered by several blue glowing warp cores, not unlike those in TMP and Voyager, which were inside the big vats until ejected at the end.
Its fair to say that conclusion is generally unavoidable. Some shots might fit into a movie set in 2020, but most were definitely mid to late 20th century. If it looks "realistic" its because its something we are used to.
By the same token, with some variation, modern factories are considerably neater than those in the 19th century. By the 24th century, TNG "ultra neatness" might be considered rough and ready!
I would suggest that "realism" is a contextual thing with time being a variable.I’m afraid (IMO) it can’t. Well, not unless the Enterprise’s designers were big fans of 20th C retro engineering complete bungs on chains. By the way, I think your analogy is lacking. The brewery engineering section is not like a man in a bad rubber suit. It’s like a man in a suit so poor you can see most of the man beneath. Using people for aliens is a standing convention. Pretending obvious 20th C food technology belongs in a TOS era star ship engine-room is not.
If I hadn’t already dropped out of warp long before seeing the Enterprise’s engineering section, I certainly would have after I saw where Uhura was hanging out (I think I lost impulse for a while at that point!).
That said, I would consider myself lucky indeed if that was the worst issue I had with the movie. Actually that’s why I find it so strange anyone would go to such extremes to defend the indefensible. I wonder if anyone would be so impressed with such 20th C technology if it had been part of STV or Nemesis etc?
Not sure I understand your point but I assume you would draw the line at keeping the warp cores in giant knitted tea cosies though right?
Oh, I think I see. You're saying there was some 23rd C tech. It was just hidden under the 20th C tech most of the time.
So you're pointing out that people are less forgiving of really bad movies than of really good ones because this proves...what?
If only it was that simple.
Its fair to say that conclusion is generally unavoidable. Some shots might fit into a movie set in 2020, but most were definitely mid to late 20th century. If it looks "realistic" its because its something we are used to.
By the same token, with some variation, modern factories are considerably neater than those in the 19th century. By the 24th century, TNG "ultra neatness" might be considered rough and ready!
I’m afraid (IMO) it can’t. Well, not unless the Enterprise’s designers were big fans of 20th C retro engineering complete bungs on chains. By the way, I think your analogy is lacking. The brewery engineering section is not like a man in a bad rubber suit. It’s like a man in a suit so poor you can see most of the man beneath. Using people for aliens is a standing convention. Pretending obvious 20th C food technology belongs in a TOS era star ship engine-room is not.
If I hadn’t already dropped out of warp long before seeing the Enterprise’s engineering section, I certainly would have after I saw where Uhura was hanging out (I think I lost impulse for a while at that point!).
That said, I would consider myself lucky indeed if that was the worst issue I had with the movie. Actually that’s why I find it so strange anyone would go to such extremes to defend the indefensible. I wonder if anyone would be so impressed with such 20th C technology if it had been part of STV or Nemesis etc?
Not sure I understand your point but I assume you would draw the line at keeping the warp cores in giant knitted tea cosies though right?
Oh, I think I see. You're saying there was some 23rd C tech. It was just hidden under the 20th C tech most of the time.
That's the thing too- a lot of people complained about the new Enterprise not looking enough like the original, and alot of defenders of the new enterprise said that it looked dated. While in the same breath go on about the realism of using a brewery from the 20th century, and the "retro" 50's styling on the new enterprise's exterior... So I don't get the contridiction- they want the future to look more realistically contemporary 1950's-70's? ON top of that, the ripped off TMP saucer is praised... So it's original, but not original, different, but not different. Contemporary but futuristic???
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The defenders want anything but the clean 1960's enterprise that strived to look like as different in concept then any other sci-fi programme. Anything but what this whole movie series is supposed to be based on!
It's just really odd.
But seriously- the engine room looked so much like a brewery, there was no mistaking it for anything else. Maybe it's because I loves my Golden cool beautiful beer, and dark rich stouts, or lovely bubbley honey hued ales, that I was so easily able to identify what it was- if it looks like a duck...
It was a dumb idea, and I hope that if they are indeed actually using a brewery again, that they get a little more creative with how they re-dress it. And shoot it in ways that make it less Beery and more Trekky.
Its fair to say that conclusion is generally unavoidable. Some shots might fit into a movie set in 2020, but most were definitely mid to late 20th century. If it looks "realistic" its because its something we are used to.
By the same token, with some variation, modern factories are considerably neater than those in the 19th century. By the 24th century, TNG "ultra neatness" might be considered rough and ready!
I’m afraid (IMO) it can’t. Well, not unless the Enterprise’s designers were big fans of 20th C retro engineering complete bungs on chains. By the way, I think your analogy is lacking. The brewery engineering section is not like a man in a bad rubber suit. It’s like a man in a suit so poor you can see most of the man beneath. Using people for aliens is a standing convention. Pretending obvious 20th C food technology belongs in a TOS era star ship engine-room is not.
If I hadn’t already dropped out of warp long before seeing the Enterprise’s engineering section, I certainly would have after I saw where Uhura was hanging out (I think I lost impulse for a while at that point!).
That said, I would consider myself lucky indeed if that was the worst issue I had with the movie. Actually that’s why I find it so strange anyone would go to such extremes to defend the indefensible. I wonder if anyone would be so impressed with such 20th C technology if it had been part of STV or Nemesis etc?
Not sure I understand your point but I assume you would draw the line at keeping the warp cores in giant knitted tea cosies though right?
Oh, I think I see. You're saying there was some 23rd C tech. It was just hidden under the 20th C tech most of the time.
That's the thing too- a lot of people complained about the new Enterprise not looking enough like the original, and alot of defenders of the new enterprise said that it looked dated. While in the same breath go on about the realism of using a brewery from the 20th century, and the "retro" 50's styling on the new enterprise's exterior... So I don't get the contridiction- they want the future to look more realistically contemporary 1950's-70's? ON top of that, the ripped off TMP saucer is praised... So it's original, but not original, different, but not different. Contemporary but futuristic???
Not
The defenders want anything but the clean 1960's enterprise that strived to look like as different in concept then any other sci-fi programme. Anything but what this whole movie series is supposed to be based on!
It's just really odd.
But seriously- the engine room looked so much like a brewery, there was no mistaking it for anything else. Maybe it's because I loves my Golden cool beautiful beer, and dark rich stouts, or lovely bubbley honey hued ales, that I was so easily able to identify what it was- if it looks like a duck...
It was a dumb idea, and I hope that if they are indeed actually using a brewery again, that they get a little more creative with how they re-dress it. And shoot it in ways that make it less Beery and more Trekky.
Plus I like my ultra neat TNG type engineering places....especially considering it's not a human made only ship, but with alien technologies from all sorts of species.Scotpens, don't give JJ any more ideas.
