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Bridesmaid issues

Hunter X

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'scuse the venting.

My beautiful fiancee and I are just under four weeks away from our wedding. Planning has been wonderful and organized, from the honeymoon to the reception to the photos and so on. Even the table seating has fit together perfectly and with almost no issues. The awkward family members who don't like the other awkward family members aren't coming. It's really been a lot easier than anyone told us. Until this weekend.

We have three members each in our wedding party. Three bridesmaids, three grooms. One of these bridesmaids has been a friend of my fiancee's since high school. My fiancee was her maid of honour almost a year ago and her wedding. She made perfect sense as a choice to be in the party.

She lives in Edmonton and we live in Calgary, a three hour's drive. She informed my beautiful fiancee this past Thursday that she was thinking about driving down the morning of the wedding.

"Oh no, this would not work," said my fiancee. "We are having a morning ceremony, we have 8 am hair appointments, you would miss the rehearsal, we don't have time to tell you the deal."

"Well, I don't know if my husband should miss the Friday of work. Perhaps I will just come down on my own then the night before," was the paraphrased reply. Good enough.

The bridesmaid came down on Saturday to pick up her dress. My fiancee asked her if the bridesmaid and husband had discussed their travel times any further.

"Oh yes," said bridesmaid. "We've decided to come down the morning of, leaving at 5 am."

"But [bridesmaid], I do not want to spend the morning worrying if you'll make it on time," said the concerned fiancee.

"There are always what ifs. It's silly to dwell on them."

"But [bridesmaid], I'm going to be annoyed at you if you come down the morning of."

"That is your choice," snotted the bridesmaid, and back to Edmonton she went.

I arrived home to a crying fiancee.

I'm mad. Madder than I've been for a long time, but I've stayed out of it directly, and am letting my fiancee handle the direct communication. My first reaction was to send her an e-mail myself and lay it out like this: "When you accepted the honour of being a bridesmaid at our wedding, you accepted the responsibilities with it. We weren't concerned about you not being as involved with the shower/bachelorette/planning as you're far away and we understand that. But coming to the rehearsal is the one thing we've asked of you, and you blow it off without even an apology. You broke the first rule of the wedding: don't stress out the bride anymore then she's already stressed. You come a day early, or don't come at all."

Instead my graceful and by then much calmed fiancee sent her a more calmly worded message: "Sorry if we weren't clear on this before: we both want you to be at the rehearsal. It is something expected of all of the wedding party."

The reply today was a mash-up of "wow, you were so laid-back before, I can't believe you're going off the deep-end about this" and "I feel like you're letting this come between our friendship. I do support you. I'm just not comfortable acting on that support by doing what works best for you [okay, I paraphrased again there]" topped off by "try to focus on this day as a celebration of the union between you and [Hunter X] before God. I'll leave you with that thought."

I really, really hope that it comes to my original message of "come a day early or don't bother" and she doesn't bother, cause I don't want to see this girl there even if she does back down. My fiancee has moved from being upset to being fed-up and pretty much indifferent to whether or not the bridesmaid comes. There has been history of her treating other people this way, but she's never treated my fiancee like this. So the fiancee is leaning towards the "you can pull this crap with other people, and I didn't like watching it then. I'm not putting up with it or backing down."

Go fiancee. :cool:

Anyways, I don't know what I'm looking for in response. I just felt the need to vent, and this is good venting ground. If anyone else has advice, go ahead and share it. If you just want to vent about your own crappy wedding experiences and how it really does show you who are and aren't your friends, fire away.
 
Wow.

Well, I'm totally on that girl's side. You and your fiance have both gone a bit batty.

Perhaps once the wedding's over and you've calmed down you'll be able to see that and you'll be able to apologize to her. I understand you're both stressed right now.

Sorry, that's probably not what you came here to hear.
 
Nah, man, though I'm curious about why you think we're making a big deal of things. I mean, my post was stylized cause I'm venting, but my fiancee is pretty indifferent about the whole thing now and I just want to get to the marrying her part.

Still, I'm not sure how wanting her there a day before to help rehearse is too much to ask, so give me another point of view. You're the first one I've seen who's taken her side.
 
I think I would look at it as 'what is the worst that could happen' if the bridesmaid was late or doesn't make it.

You get married with only two bridesmaids - that is two more than some people get married with.

Your bridesmaid makes a mistake because she missed the rehearsal - you will probably laugh about it years latter. Ands mistakes can happen even with the rehearsal.

She might miss getting her hair done - it will be her that looks bad in the wedding photos not your fiancee.

All three of these possinilities are better than losing a friend.
 
Although I know little about weddings I'm with Hunter on this one, you've both got a lot on your plates atm and others should be doing all they can to help.
 
Still, I'm not sure how wanting her there a day before to help rehearse is too much to ask

If it's not practical for her husband to take that night off work, then it's not fair of you to guilt them into doing it. Nor is it fair to ask her to take a separate 3-hour drive just so she can get down the night before.

I fucking hate weddings because people take them way too seriously. A wedding should be a fun celebration! I get that women can get crazy sometimes and obsess about the perfect wedding, but it's not something to get that worked up about. If a bridesmaid (especially one who you have already admitted doesn't have any major responsibilities) doesn't show up or shows up late, guess what, the wedding can still happen!

If she's a good enough friend, she'll show up when it's most important. If she doesn't get her hair done, it's not the end of the world.
 
I think I would look at it as 'what is the worst that could happen' if the bridesmaid was late or doesn't make it.

You get married with only two bridesmaids - that is two more than some people get married with.

Your bridesmaid makes a mistake because she missed the rehearsal - you will probably laugh about it years latter. Ands mistakes can happen even with the rehearsal.

She might miss getting her hair done - it will be her that looks bad in the wedding photos not your fiancee.

All three of these possinilities are better than losing a friend.

I agree. But it's not really the worry of a missed step or a hair out of place that's getting us down. We don't need a perfect wedding, we're pretty prepared for stuff to go wrong. Stuff always goes wrong.

I'm not sure if this came across in my first post, but our issue is more with how the bridesmaid in question is going about this whole situation. She simply doesn't care. She's going to do what is most convenient for her, helping make the wedding easier for everyone else be damned. I've only met her twice, so I wouldn't consider her my friend, but she's been a friend of my fiancee's since high school. We both thought she would be a better friend than she's been acting.

We don't want to lose a friendship here, certainly not in exchange for something as temporary as one day. The hurt for my fiancee is that it seems there's not much of a friendship when it comes time for the bridesmaid to support the bride. A year ago, when their positions were reversed, my fiancee went up there two days before by bus and spent the whole weekend helping out, all the way to helping sew the wedding dress until 3 am the night before the big day. It wasn't a chore for her, she liked getting to spend time with her friend before her wedding. The complete lack of reciprocation surprised us and hurts my fiancee. I love her, I don't like to see her get hurt, and I'm just baffled at the coldness with which we're being treated.

If it's not practical for her husband to take that night off work, then it's not fair of you to guilt them into doing it. Nor is it fair to ask her to take a separate 3-hour drive just so she can get down the night before.

I fucking hate weddings because people take them way too seriously. A wedding should be a fun celebration! I get that women can get crazy sometimes and obsess about the perfect wedding, but it's not something to get that worked up about. If a bridesmaid (especially one who you have already admitted doesn't have any major responsibilities) doesn't show up or shows up late, guess what, the wedding can still happen!

If she's a good enough friend, she'll show up when it's most important. If she doesn't get her hair done, it's not the end of the world.

You know, your point about the husband is valid. I hope our responses to her haven't come across as guilting, as we've resisted any ultimatums like I posted in my venting. And you know, we could've worked something out with them, found them a place to stay, even offer to pay for their hotel room if it came to that. We were told that they had been planning this since our engagement.

My questions then would be: why not run it by us so we can work things out early on, instead of telling us a month before? And if they really couldn't make it down for any of the stuff a bridesmaid should be helping out on, like the shower, bachelorette, and rehearsal, why not tell us when we asked her to be a bridesmaid?

You said if she's a good enough friend, she'll show up when it's most important. I'm assuming you mean the actual wedding. That's who your guests are. There's a certain amount of responsibility that comes with being in the wedding party. The Best Man plans the bachelor party, drives the bride and groom around on the wedding day, delivers a toast, keeps track of the groom's keys and is his buddy if anything goes wrong or if anything is lost. The Maid of Honour does the same for the bride. The rest of the party run what support they can, with less expectations. And you know what? This is coming across as if we gave our party job descriptions before we signed them up. We didn't. This is stuff your friends just do for you, because it's your wedding day and they're happy to see you get married and just want to help out where they can.

If the bridesmaid had even said it this way: "Hey, I'm sorry, but we just can't make it. My husband can't get away from his job and we don't have the money for a hotel room." that would be cool. We'd understand. I know this isn't one of my most easy-going moments, but we really are pretty laid back people.

What we got was: "We're not coming down until the morning of. If you don't like that, tough."
 
Ok, obviously you're new at this wedding thing (of course!) which is why you're placing WAY to much emphasis on certain things. This isn't a Space Shuttle launch, it just feels like it to you.

I've been to over 200 weddings, so let me break down some of your misconceptions.


A) The rehearsal:
TRUST ME when I tell you that one of the other bridesmaids can call her after the rehearsal and fill her in. Unless you're part of some weird religion I've never heard of, your ceremony can be described in 10 minutes over the phone. (At least the parts she needs to know anyway). Hell, tell her to call me today and I bet I can explain it to her right now, even though I don't know the details of your wedding.

B) The morning drive:
I suspect that 5 AM won't offer much traffic. Of course, she could hit a deer and die, but this is where she is totally correct: ANYTHING can go wrong that weekend. The cake might melt. The ring might get lost, she might hit a deer and die on Friday night. To worry about those things is normal, but to translate those worries into insane thoughts (she might crash on Saturday morning but she couldn't crash on Friday night!) isn't going to help anyone. Which brings us to:

C) The Worrying Bride:
Brides worry at the 100% level. Right now she's worried that her friend might not make it in time. As the logical male you think "Ok, I need to get her here on time to fix this problem." But trust me (ohhh, trust me) if you solve that problem another one will take its place. (Now that she's here, what if the bridesmaids all get food poisoning Friday night!?) I'm sorry to say (men don't want to hear this) but you can't fix your fiance's anxiety. You can keep chasing down problems (none of which make her feel better) or you can just keep petting her head and telling her everything will go fine.

D) SOMETHING will go wrong:
And you know what? It's always something you didn't expect. This is why I'd bet money that this bridesmaid will be on time. Her being late is too easy. Too predictable. Nah...things don't roll that way. It'll be something else that goes wrong. (Yeah, I'm a real great cheerleader, aren't I?) The only way to enjoy a wedding is to ignore the 2 things that went wrong and focus on the 98 things that went right. Some people can't do that and it's kind of sad, really. Get yourself in that frame of mind. Seriously.

E) Hair Buffer: (EDIT: Just replace this section with what MISS CHICKEN SAID. She said it better than me.)
Your bride doesn't wanna hear this one, but it's true. If this girl misses the hair appointment no one will know but the bride. Don't bother telling her this, she'll argue with you that everyone will notice... But trust me, it'll be fine. And that gives the ol' driving bridesmaid a whole hour margin of error. That's gotta ease your nerves somewhat, huh? Try to separate the important (ceremony, rings) from the showy stuff (hair, flowers). You'll maintain your sanity a lot easier if you can make THAT mental break.

~ ~ ~

My point is this: The week after your wedding you're going to look back at the things that did go wrong and you're gonna say "I can't believe we were worried about ol' Whats-her-name! Now that we're not stressed anymore it's CLEAR to all that bridesmaid stuff we were worried about was way over the top! I mean, obviously it was Uncle John we should have been worried about!"

You don't believe me now. I know. All I ask is that you're not too mean to this girl now. On the off chance that I'm right you'll be glad that you can solve it with a simple 'I'm sorry' after the fact. If you blow it up into a huge deal now then that might not be enough.

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EDIT: About your last post and her being a good friend and all that...you really seem to be assuming that she could come but just chooses not too. She seems to be claiming she can't come. There's a big disconnect there. I have no clue who's right, I just want you to make sure you think about that. You're basically mad because you think she's lying to you. Do you have good reason to think that? Or are you just assuming it because it makes things easier? I can't answer that one, but you need to be careful that you don't make assumptions and then treat them as facts in your mind. Most of your anger over this hinges on that issue.
 
Hell, maybe she'll show up just in the nick of time to solve a huge crisis!

Caterer: The beef has all gone bad! Dinner is ruined!

Bridesmaid: (Crashes car through the main doors) Good thing I hit this deer and it totally didn't kill me...fire up the grill!

(This is obviously what you were thinking, isn't it? You can admit it.)
 
Hell, maybe she'll show up just in the nick of time to solve a huge crisis!

Caterer: The beef has all gone bad! Dinner is ruined!

Bridesmaid: (Crashes car through the main doors) Good thing I hit this deer and it totally didn't kill me...fire up the grill!

(This is obviously what you were thinking, isn't it? You can admit it.)

That would be awesome. And completely Alberta. :p

And sorry for being unclear again, but I don't think she's lying about her husband's situation. Quite the opposite. From what I've seen of the bridesmaid, she's the sort of person who is brutally honest about everything and will not apologize for anything. And it's not even like I feel like I want a "sorry" and that'll make it all better right now. What I object to is literally the conversation being:

"But [bridesmaid], I'm afraid I'm going to be annoyed at you if you don't come down the night before after all of this."

"That's your problem."

Okay, there are so many ways to work around the rehearsal, everything you've said and more. But c'mon Bridesmaid, don't you even care you're missing out on the pre-wedding celebrations? Don't you care your high school friend is getting married? You said you do, but in a moment that needed tact and a "hey, we'll work this out" attitude, we got a "it's your problem."

This may not help anything, but I'll give you another conversation they had about the braidsmaid dress. It apparently fit okay in the front, but it was weird in the back.

Bridesmaid: I think it's good!
Bride: It looks okay in the front. I think it needs to be gathered more in the back.
Bridesmaid: Yeah, whatever. I think it's fine.
Bride: Okay, if you're cool with it and looking like that, it's up to you.
Bridesmaid: Yeah. I'll probably get it fitted properly after the wedding, though, for my own personal use.
Bride: [baffled, but whatever, her friend does her own thing]


I do like hearing the other side, though. It helps me feel like I'm getting perspectives I can't get in my own head. You're right, small white car, I do want to fix everything. I know I can't, but I don't think I always know I can't. I'm still ticked off, but the combination of random venting and talking it out helps.
 
Canadian families are weird.

Did you hear about the Canadian adoptee who worked with the adoption agency to find his brother, who, as it turns out, was his neighbor?

link
 
I don't know, I am on Hunters side. It doesn't even have anything to do with this being a wedding. I just think in general if you agree to do a service or a favor to someone you don't get to pick the particulars of the process. If you can't be there for what you need to be there for you should politely decline in the first place.


P.S. This is why when my GF and I get married it will be on a beach in Hawaii with 20 seagulls and a JP with a lei on in attendance.
 
An unrelated wedding issue I am having:

The parents of my godson are engaged to be married. My godson (the groom's son) is going to be the Best Man. Problem: he's two. I don't think he is fully prepared to handle the responsibilities of being Best Man. I have a feeling, though I have not been asked, that I am going to end up being put in charge of a lot of stuff.
 
Although I know little about weddings I'm with Hunter on this one, you've both got a lot on your plates atm and others should be doing all they can to help.

I don't want to neglect you either. Thanks for that. The rest of the posting has been good, but this helps too.
 
An unrelated wedding issue I am having:

The parents of my godson are engaged to be married. My godson (the groom's son) is going to be the Best Man. Problem: he's two. I don't think he is fully prepared to handle the responsibilities of being Best Man. I have a feeling, though I have not been asked, that I am going to end up being put in charge of a lot of stuff.

Heh, after my posts, maybe you won't see me as the best person for advice...

That said, open communication as much as you can. Bad communication will kill you, especially if you're already getting this unspoken sense that you'll have a lot of responsibilities. Try to make sure you're clear on everything they want you to do.

If you don't want to do everything they want you to do, draw boundary lines early and try to stick to them. I think a big factor in my own problem is that it's coming up 26 days before the wedding, and they planned this since back in October. If this was a boundary for them, it probably would've helped reactions on all sides had it come earlier.
 
Hmm... Maybe it's because I don't tend to take weddings as seriously as some people, but I think you and your fiancee are overreacting a bit. Yes, ideally this bridesmaid would be there the day before the wedding, but (especially considering the distance she's travelling) if it's an inconvenience, then I would understand her reasons for coming in the morning of. I figure as long as she gets there, looks decent, and has a basic idea of what to do, it should be fine. It's certainly not a situation worth losing a friendship over.

But of course, you'd know better than the rest of us if there are other factors to consider here (i.e. the bridesmaid's attitude and history).


An unrelated wedding issue I am having:

The parents of my godson are engaged to be married. My godson (the groom's son) is going to be the Best Man. Problem: he's two. I don't think he is fully prepared to handle the responsibilities of being Best Man.

No kidding -- I mean, he wouldn't even be able to get his dad a stripper for the bachelor party...
 
If the bridesmaid couldn't fulfill the duties, she should have declined the honor and just came as a guest.

Bonz, whose daughter just married last month and had a similar bridesmaid issue, only it was with the bride's sister. :/
 
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