Breaking: Ft. Hood Attack
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Update- the suspect is not dead. Maybe we'll get some answers directly from him.
What she said.
They need decent salaries, decent housing, mental health support and a well funded program to help military families that are left behind when soldiers are deployed.
And enough of this repeated deployment crap. A volunteer army does not mean that it's acceptable to treat them like meat and cannon fodder when the numbers get low.
What she said.
WHY on Earth would you assume it was an infiltration? Because of the shooter's ethnicity? Haven't we moved past that ignorant bull by now?
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Did you see that "IF" at the beginning of my post?
I move past nothing till it has been disproven. Right now, the possibilities looks like a 50%/50% spilt between nutjob and and yet another jihad participant to me. I didn't call it either way, but made an observation regarding one of the possbilities.
What other possibilities are you discarding because they don't fit your politics? Perhaps they would be interesting to discuss.
Guy was in the military for a long time. I doubt he's been a secret undercover mole for this long.
Yes. And I was still amazed that the idea of it possibly being an example of (non-domestic) terrorism apparently came before the idea that the guy was mentally off for you.
I don't understand why they reported him dead and HOURS later they say he's alive.
It's called "a mistake."
Ok then.
Nice av, btw.
Nice av, btw.
First chance I've had to sit down and comment....
Blessing upon those dead, wounded and their family and friends. /**
Let the investigation take its course. It will be thorough.
Blessing upon those dead, wounded and their family and friends. /**
Let the investigation take its course. It will be thorough.
Yes. And I was still amazed that the idea of it possibly being an example of (non-domestic) terrorism apparently came before the idea that the guy was mentally off for you.
Well, as a former military member, I recall the horror that happened to my brothers in arms in Beruit. I've lost friends to actions like this.
This kind of thing has been happening for a long time, and when it's against the military, it's been militant assholes and not psychos. I'll not discard the possibility that this isn't the case now until investigators reveal otherwise.
As for your
, let's just call it a draw, but I'm not gonna sing kumbaya with you.Oh, here are some of Major Malik Nadal Hasan's own words from the internet:
"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."
Agreed. May the pain of loss pass quickly for the families, and may the injured recover rapidly.
Yes. And I was still amazed that the idea of it possibly being an example of (non-domestic) terrorism apparently came before the idea that the guy was mentally off for you.
Well, as a former military member, I recall the horror that happened to my brothers in arms in Beruit. I've lost friends to actions like this.
This kind of thing has been happening for a long time, and when it's against the military, it's been militant assholes and not psychos. I'll not discard the possibility that this isn't the case now until investigators reveal otherwise.
As for your
Oh, here are some of Major Malik Nadal Hasan's own words from the internet:
"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."
Sounds like his loyalties were with his muslin religion rather that the army... At the end of the day a zealot is just a zealot. Be it here or in Baghdad.
Depends on his MOS (the kind of job you do for the Army). Even Majors don't get free run of an Army post.
Of course, he could as easily have been radicalized recently by a non-military friend, or gone crazy from the dichotomy, or got worn down by the cases he dealt with...
Given that he is a muslim and other doctors on the base say he's been vocal that muslims should stand up to the US, it's going to be hard to stop the conspiriologists wondering, though.
And harder to stop the religious right using it as a stick to beat the Democrats with through Faux News and all. Which actually means the more regular government conspiracy theories should be even more prevalent, as let's face it, the shooter has just put US muslim civil rights back about eight years single-handed, and spawned what will no doubt be a wave of random reprisals against the innocents. If Bush was still in the White House we'd already be saying he planned it to whip up pro- Christian godfearing American patriotism against that shadowy muslim "Terror" we're at war with...
I mean, just think, if he'd done it this time last year, we'd probably end up with McCain/Palin in the job...
Given that he is a muslim and other doctors on the base say he's been vocal that muslims should stand up to the US, it's going to be hard to stop the conspiriologists wondering, though.
And harder to stop the religious right using it as a stick to beat the Democrats with through Faux News and all. Which actually means the more regular government conspiracy theories should be even more prevalent, as let's face it, the shooter has just put US muslim civil rights back about eight years single-handed, and spawned what will no doubt be a wave of random reprisals against the innocents. If Bush was still in the White House we'd already be saying he planned it to whip up pro- Christian godfearing American patriotism against that shadowy muslim "Terror" we're at war with...
I mean, just think, if he'd done it this time last year, we'd probably end up with McCain/Palin in the job...
Of course, if the quote wasn't so cleverly cropped, it would be obvious that "this soldier" he is referring to is an American soldier who threw himself on a grenade to save his comrades. He calls him a 'hero' in the post.
It's a psychiatrist posting about the psychiatric aspects of 'suicide' in war, and how it is inappropriate to label people who deliberately give their lives as part of a war (whatever side they're on) the same way as people who throw themselves off the Golden Gate Bridge because they broke up with their girlfriend.
What it is not is a rounding support of suicide bombing, nor of killing US soldiers. It is discussing the mentality of the soldier on any side who commits 'suicide' for the greater good in war. He also mentions kamikazi pilots in the same context, was he also loyal to the Japanese Empire?
Oh, and 'muslin'? Muslin is a fabric, not a religion.
Taking things out of context is the fast way to make broad-based assumptions and quickly get an answer, whether it's true or not.
The media was quick to pull out a related story about anti-American Muslim protestors protesting outside a pro-American mosque in New York which helps fuel the fire about US-Muslims being "shifty" too. That kind of reactionary reporting doesn't help anything either.
At the time it wasn't even known if the man was a Muslim. He had an arabic name but it doesn't equate to being Muslm, practicing or not, or if he had even converted to another religion.
We don't know why he did it yet. Speculating it's because of his religion is one of the first things that came up though. It's already been noted it could be he heard too many stories about Iraq/Afganistan or that he might have had some other reason to go off the deep end. Psychiatrist or not, the man is still human and he has all the flaws of a human, no matter your opinion of him.
The media was quick to pull out a related story about anti-American Muslim protestors protesting outside a pro-American mosque in New York which helps fuel the fire about US-Muslims being "shifty" too. That kind of reactionary reporting doesn't help anything either.
At the time it wasn't even known if the man was a Muslim. He had an arabic name but it doesn't equate to being Muslm, practicing or not, or if he had even converted to another religion.
We don't know why he did it yet. Speculating it's because of his religion is one of the first things that came up though. It's already been noted it could be he heard too many stories about Iraq/Afganistan or that he might have had some other reason to go off the deep end. Psychiatrist or not, the man is still human and he has all the flaws of a human, no matter your opinion of him.
Take his name and Jordanian descent out of the equation and just look at his actions as if they were by Major John Smith, born and raised in Virginia. Would you draw the same conclusions about his religious zealotry without evidence of it first?
Being opposed to our wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, thinking Iraqis have the right to fight against American occupiers (whilst still regretting the loss of life), and specifying a difference between someone who is actually suicidal versus someone who intentionally gives up their life for a cause (whether that cause is just or not) are not indicative of religious zealotry, and the same things have been espoused by many members here and people in the public at large.
And seriously, what's with the deliberate misspelling of Muslim? It happens too often for it to be simply a typo, though if it was in your case I apologize. Is it like misspelling librulz and so forth? Does it show disdain by refusing to spell the word correctly? If so, it doesn't have the effect you were hoping for.
Another 30 hurt; shooter reportedly shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ before attack.
Death toll rises to 13
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33712858/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
Death toll rises to 13
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33712858/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
I would take those eyewitness reports with a grain of salt at this point. I'm suspicious of the fact that that wasn't reported until after we found out that he was Muslim.
The major apparently was harassed over being a Muslim. I wouldn't be surprised if that played a large role in him snapping like this.
