Breakdown How Things Have, And Will Change In The New Timeline

[Butters]

The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.

Except the events of ENT occur way before Nero destroys the Kelvin.

Enterprise goes bye-bye as well. The show was a spin-off of the movie star Trek: First Contact. If J.J. Abrams' Star Trek wipes out The Next Generation it wipes out Enterprise.

Thats one hell of a paradox this film is creating. A temporal incursion from the c24 into c23 by Nero and Spock affect events a century earlier. The history of the Federation radically altered by events in its future.

Temporal Investigations have their work cut out. This could get messy.

 

[BillJ]

Except the events of ENT occur way before Nero destroys the Kelvin.

Enterprise goes bye-bye as well. The show was a spin-off of the movie star Trek: First Contact. If J.J. Abrams' Star Trek wipes out The Next Generation it wipes out Enterprise.

Thats one hell of a paradox this film is creating. A temporal incursion from the c24 into c23 by Nero and Spock affect events a century earlier. The history of the Federation radically altered by events in its future.

Temporal Investigations have their work cut out. This could get messy.

By trying to wipe the slate clean, Abrams and Company have created a mess we'll be arguing about for decades. Life is good...

 

[BigC]

In my dream world the last scean of the movie plays out thusley. Old Spock repairs the time line and new Spock gets a call from new Kirk from his quarters (which are darkened so we cant really see them) asking if every thing is all right. New Spock looks up from his viewer and says...yes captian all is well. As the camera pans out to show the origional TOS bridge and crew in TOS uniforms going about their dutys.

Music plays...Roll credits!

 

[Butters]

In my dream world the last scean of the movie plays out thusley. Old Spock repairs the time line and new Spock gets a call from new Kirk from his quarters (which are darkened so we cant really see them) asking if every thing is all right. New Spock looks up from his viewer and says...yes captian all is well. As the camera pans out to show the origional TOS bridge and crew in TOS uniforms going about their dutys.

Music plays...Roll credits!

Seriously?

 

[BillJ]

In my dream world the last scean of the movie plays out thusley. Old Spock repairs the time line and new Spock gets a call from new Kirk from his quarters (which are darkened so we cant really see them) asking if every thing is all right. New Spock looks up from his viewer and says...yes captian all is well. As the camera pans out to show the origional TOS bridge and crew in TOS uniforms going about their dutys.

Music plays...Roll credits!

As much as I wish this film respected continuity and told a story within it... I don't want a giant reset button pushed at the end. If this is the route they wish to go, then they need to follow it through to the end.

Besides, it opens up the universe again to all sorts of possibilities.

 

[BigC]

In my dream world the last scean of the movie plays out thusley. Old Spock repairs the time line and new Spock gets a call from new Kirk from his quarters (which are darkened so we cant really see them) asking if every thing is all right. New Spock looks up from his viewer and says...yes captian all is well. As the camera pans out to show the origional TOS bridge and crew in TOS uniforms going about their dutys.

Music plays...Roll credits!

Seriously?

Yes.
"All is as it was before"

 

[Butters]

Seriously?

Yes.
"All is as it was before"

Each to their own I suppose, but I'm really excited about the new trek and the changes it brings.

I say this, even though I don't like different timelines, and I subsribe to the Bill & Ted School of Time Travel. The old continuity was tired, bloated, inconsistent, outdated etc and needed a reboot, but by involving the original spock, and TNG prologue, means that the new adventures are tied to everything that went before.

Kirk never married in our familiar trek history, but now we don't know what will happen. To me, that gives Trek new life and excitement, it also means we know what would have happened if the timeline wasn't changed by Nero etc. It also sets a precedent if the new film sucks, another show or movie can reset the continuity again.

We've seen enough possible futures in Trek before, this is exactly the same, except this time its being fleshed out. All Good Things defined the future of the TNG crew, the same future that also existed for the Voyager finale. Generations showed that future would not come to pass, the time-line changed. Trek XI is just putting us on another new path. Everyone's a winner.

 

[Ovation]

Enterprise goes bye-bye as well. The show was a spin-off of the movie star Trek: First Contact. If J.J. Abrams' Star Trek wipes out The Next Generation it wipes out Enterprise.

Thats one hell of a paradox this film is creating. A temporal incursion from the c24 into c23 by Nero and Spock affect events a century earlier. The history of the Federation radically altered by events in its future.

Temporal Investigations have their work cut out. This could get messy.

By trying to wipe the slate clean, Abrams and Company have created a mess we'll be arguing about for decades. Life is good...

Shhh! You've just revealed "the true plan". JJ has decided to create the kind of mind-numbing contorted situation that will leave OCD fans twisted in knots for decades trying to fit it into "canon" (thus allowing them to continue with their obsession) while actually 'cleaning the slate' for any future movies/productions. It's his "valentine to the "true" fans".

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

In my dream world the last scean of the movie plays out thusley. Old Spock repairs the time line and new Spock gets a call from new Kirk from his quarters (which are darkened so we cant really see them) asking if every thing is all right. New Spock looks up from his viewer and says...yes captian all is well. As the camera pans out to show the origional TOS bridge and crew in TOS uniforms going about their dutys.

Music plays...Roll credits!

The only problem with this happening any place other than (literally) in your dreams is that it is presumed there will be a sequel, and I just don't see Abrams and company throwing away the "look" they spent so much time and energy creating for THIS film.

And, like I said in another thread, I have enough imagination to accept that this IS in fact the same technology we saw in 1966, even though it looks very different.

If the creative team tells me these visuals are simply a 2008 analog to the 1966 TV show, then that's enough for me...I don't need an in-universe reason for thinks LOOKING different; the fact that this film is being made 42 years after the TV show is a valid enough reason for looking different.

I would rather if they just tell me to accept the fact that it looks different because they wanted to update the look for a 2008/9 movie rather than finding some convoluted in-film explanation for the look -- and I believe the former to be the reality of this film rather than the latter.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I definitely don't see the destruction of the Kelvin as prima facie evidence that the timeline is now irrevocably altered. Old Spock must have something more to do. He apparently hasn't come back in time to stop that ship's destruction, so he must have some other plans to put the timeline back on track.

I think that existing Trek is safe.

 

[trekkerguy]

In my dream world the last scean of the movie plays out thusley. Old Spock repairs the time line and new Spock gets a call from new Kirk from his quarters (which are darkened so we cant really see them) asking if every thing is all right. New Spock looks up from his viewer and says...yes captian all is well. As the camera pans out to show the origional TOS bridge and crew in TOS uniforms going about their dutys.

Music plays...Roll credits!

The only problem with this happening any place other than (literally) in your dreams is that it is presumed there will be a sequel, and I just don't see Abrams and company throwing away the "look" they spent so much time and energy creating for THIS film.

And, like I said in another thread, I have enough imagination to accept that this IS in fact the same technology we saw in 1966, even though it looks very different.

If the creative team tells me these visuals are simply a 2008 analog to the 1966 TV show, then that's enough for me...I don't need an in-universe reason for thinks LOOKING different; the fact that this film is being made 42 years after the TV show is a valid enough reason for looking different.

I would rather if they just tell me to accept the fact that it looks different because they wanted to update the look for a 2008/9 movie rather than finding some convoluted in-film explanation for the look -- and I believe the former to be the reality of this film rather than the latter.

Tada! What people mean when they bring up "cardboard sets" (For those about to have an anurism over a TV show) the show is 42 years old and by comparison is ancient in design. The materials may be the same but the look and feel is as if they were cardboard.

The new movie is new, using new designs and techniqes and LOOKS more advanced. But if GR had made TOS today it probably would have looked closer to this, maybe not the same, but it would have looked a hell of a lot more advanced than it's half century old counterpart and that's very much what we're getting.

 

[BenRoethig]

The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.

Enterpise is all that exists.

The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.

Except the events of ENT occur way before Nero destroys the Kelvin.

Enterprise goes bye-bye as well. The show was a spin-off of the movie Star Trek: First Contact. If J.J. Abrams' Star Trek wipes out The Next Generation it wipes out Enterprise.

Nope, Enterprise still happened. Temporal pocket. The Enterpise-E and the Borg existed in that timeline when those acts occurred. That's why Sela continued to exist after the timeline that her mother came from was erased.

 

[Solariabsg25]

There's another thing. First Contact still happened, on exactly the same date.

In the original timeline, the Phoenix, piloted by Cochrane and Lilly, launched, attracted the attention of the Vulcan survey ship, which then landed and First Contact happened.

In the altered timeline, the Borg attempted to prevent first contact. The Enterprise-E crew were able to stop them, repair the damage to the Phoenix, allowing Cochrane, Riker and La Forge to attract the attenton of the Vulcan survey ship.

The only difference in the timeline were a few deaths from the Borg bombardment, Cochrane mentioning cybernetic aliens in a speech, and the events after the Borg Drones were awakened in the Arctic.

TNG could in fact be completely erased from the timeline and have no effect whatsoever - not that they would.

 

[M'Sharak]

The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.

Except the events of ENT occur way before Nero destroys the Kelvin.

Enterprise goes bye-bye as well. The show was a spin-off of the movie star Trek: First Contact. If J.J. Abrams' Star Trek wipes out The Next Generation it wipes out Enterprise.

Thats one hell of a paradox this film is creating. A temporal incursion from the c24 into c23 by Nero and Spock affect events a century earlier. The history of the Federation radically altered by events in its future.

Temporal Investigations have their work cut out. This could get messy.

LUCSLY: And we hate that.
DULMER: Yes, we really do.

 

[Mike Farley]

I wonder what Roddenberry, Coon, Justman and Jefferies could have done with $150 million for a two-hour movie.

Probably made a movie where "God" comes to Earth and it turns out he is both a child and a machine. He is defeated by a generous application of humanity.