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Branna Braga's VERY candid interviews on the Blu-ray sets

As for where colonies should be, it somewhat depends on emerging science. Extrasolar Planet finding capability has developed since Trek came out. Hard to integrate it just yet, as many, many local extrasolar planets have yet to be found, especially the ones of greatest interest to Sci fi, which is rocky planets in the habitable zone.

If it turns out that the Alpha/Proxima system has no small rocky planets in a habitable zone, than it won't matter how close it is. There just wouldn't be a candidate planet suitable for colonization.

Except that it's been established since TOS: "Metamorphosis" that there is a human colonial presence at Alpha Centauri. TNG established a University of Alpha Centauri. DS9 referenced Alpha Centauri as an inhabited system more than once, and so did later seasons of Enterprise itself. So it's not a question of consistency with real science, but of consistency with previously established Trek canon. The writers of "Terra Nova" either forgot that the previous series had established Alpha Centauri as inhabited, or didn't know enough about astronomy to be aware that it was much closer than 20 light years away. Given that they didn't even know Rigel was a real star name, I lean toward the latter.


It's clear that, for all the cast and crew, the writing was on the wall for the fourth season, despite Enterprise being UPN's highest rated show. The that that it was banished to Friday nights for its final season and cancelled just before a new standard of ratings would be introduced seems like a strange case of history repeating itself.

Except that "UPN's highest-rated show" is a pretty low bar. Note that UPN itself did not survive long after Enterprise was cancelled. The network was founded with Voyager as its flagship series, and it pretty much depended on Star Trek as its anchor, never really having much else that had the same level of popularity (except maybe the last two seasons of Buffy, but that show's popularity was probably in decline by then, or The WB wouldn't have cancelled it). Once ST was gone, UPN fell soon after. So it's not comparable to NBC at all. ST was just one of many shows in NBC's lineup, and never one of its top performers. But UPN was built around ST to begin with, and ultimately couldn't survive without it.
 
Except that it's been established since TOS: "Metamorphosis" that there is a human colonial presence at Alpha Centauri.
Metamorphosis established that there was some kind of connection between Cochrane and Alpha Centauri, no suggestion of any form of "Human colonial presence" was made.
 
It's a bitch the show was canceled right before the beginning of the war. It's one of two things we know happened in that era. I was kind of waiting for them to begin that.
Actually, if you think about it, that might have been a contributing factor to it getting cancelled - ratings and ad revenue in a slump, and now the people running the show say "Don't worry, because we're going to start the Romulan war next season and that will draw in viewers, oh and by the way, we're going to need a bigger budget for all of those effects". Yeah. Okay. ;)
I didn't think "Terra Nova" was that bad, but it was very problematical that the nearest Earth colony was 20 light-years away. What about Alpha Centauri? The first-season writers did not have a good sense of local astronomy, and it created some continuity issues that I've had to do my best to rationalize in my post-series novels.
Perhaps Alpha Centauri is a human presence but NOT an Earth colony? Maybe AlphaCent was seeded with life from Earth by the Preservers a long time ago. (I believe some of the novels have gone with this idea - and something about us being unable to detect them until late because they kept all of their communications on shielded hard lines.) Very technically, they would still be a colony, I guess - but only in the same sense that Native Americans actually discovered the New World. True, but you rarely hear anyone say that, it's always Eric the Red or Columbus or whomever that found it during recorded history. ;)
 
As for where colonies should be, it somewhat depends on emerging science. Extrasolar Planet finding capability has developed since Trek came out. Hard to integrate it just yet, as many, many local extrasolar planets have yet to be found, especially the ones of greatest interest to Sci fi, which is rocky planets in the habitable zone.

If it turns out that the Alpha/Proxima system has no small rocky planets in a habitable zone, than it won't matter how close it is. There just wouldn't be a candidate planet suitable for colonization.

Except that it's been established since TOS: "Metamorphosis" that there is a human colonial presence at Alpha Centauri. TNG established a University of Alpha Centauri. DS9 referenced Alpha Centauri as an inhabited system more than once, and so did later seasons of Enterprise itself. So it's not a question of consistency with real science, but of consistency with previously established Trek canon. The writers of "Terra Nova" either forgot that the previous series had established Alpha Centauri as inhabited, or didn't know enough about astronomy to be aware that it was much closer than 20 light years away. Given that they didn't even know Rigel was a real star name, I lean toward the latter

Well sure, you can always say that because Trek is an alternate universe, stars and planets are different than they are in our universe. Some star systems developed differently.

On the other hand, it's possible that the references regard space stations located in the Alpha Centauri system. Or possibly there is a suitable rocky planet but one that might have required generations of large scale terraforming to be habitable. Not suitable therefore for the 2131 colonists. Or maybe there were disputed claims involving that space. Or there were already people there who just didn't want a new human colony established.

It might be that stellar and planetary observations revealed the planet in Terra Nova to be the best candidate for colonization. Uninhabited, able to be colonized from the first day, unclaimed by rival powers, not located in disputed space and with little to no large scale terraforming needed.

Being the closest would be just one of many possible factors in choosing an appropriate destination. It may have been the closest that met all of the necessary criteria.
 
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They mention that people are coming to appreciate the show a bit more, now that we've been without any Star Trek on TV for a decade or so,
This is more of Brannon quietly pushing the Trek "burnout" trope that he and Berman have been promoting since the cancellation. It is a way of shifting responsibility for the Ent's early cancellation to the fans and away from themselves.

Fans who are burned out don't show up nearly 13 million strong as we did for the premiere of Broken Bow. Fans who are burned out on a franchise aren't THAT interested.

"Burnout" by the Ent producers in the first 2 seasons is what brought the show to it's early death. Interest by Trek fans in imaginative stories, well acted and well written characters has never waivered.
 
Except that it's been established since TOS: "Metamorphosis" that there is a human colonial presence at Alpha Centauri.
Metamorphosis established that there was some kind of connection between Cochrane and Alpha Centauri, no suggestion of any form of "Human colonial presence" was made.

"Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri" makes it pretty explicit that he lived there for at least part of his life. And there have been numerous other references in Trek over the decades to the system having inhabited planets. Taranallus of Centauri VII in "Requiem for Methuselah," the University of Alpha Centauri in TNG, a character in DS9 said to have been born in the system -- not to mention ENT: "Twilight" explicitly mentioning a human outpost in the system and a couple of other fourth-season ENT episodes referencing a Proxima Colony, presumably at Proxima Centauri. As I already pointed out, the later-season producers of ENT corrected "Terra Nova"'s mistake of ignoring Alpha Centauri. There is no logic in favoring the single isolated case of "Terra Nova" over the numerous other references in Trek canon -- even within ENT itself -- that contradict it. That's like concluding that Captain Kirk's real middle initial is R.


Perhaps Alpha Centauri is a human presence but NOT an Earth colony? Maybe AlphaCent was seeded with life from Earth by the Preservers a long time ago. (I believe some of the novels have gone with this idea - and something about us being unable to detect them until late because they kept all of their communications on shielded hard lines.)

That was a popular fan theory for a while, but I've always found it an absurd and unnecessary one. There is no good reason within Trek canon to doubt that Alpha Centauri was colonized by Zefram Cochrane and others after the invention of warp drive. That is the interpretation that is most consistent with the preponderance of evidence within canon. That is the interpretation that has been taken by the majority of the novels for decades, despite the few novels that went with the more convoluted fan notion of native Centaurian humanoids. There is no reason to throw all that precedent out just because "Terra Nova" made a mistake. Especially since I've already reconciled it in my Rise of the Federation novels. (Proxima Centauri's gravitational effect would tend to subject Alpha Centauri A and B's planets to frequent cometary bombardments, so I assume they were deemed less suitable colonization targets at first, which was why Terra Nova was chosen for the initial colony despite being farther away. After Terra Nova failed, Cochrane defied the government and founded a colony at Alf Cen anyway. It's an explanation that has the virtue of being grounded in real science.)


Very technically, they would still be a colony, I guess - but only in the same sense that Native Americans actually discovered the New World. True, but you rarely hear anyone say that, it's always Eric the Red or Columbus or whomever that found it during recorded history. ;)

Not a lot of people would make that claim anymore, at least not in reputable historical scholarship.

(And by the way, Bjarni Herjolfsson was the first European known to have seen the New World, and Leif Eiriksson was the leader of the abortive Vinland colony in Newfoundland. His father Eirik the Red colonized Greenland.)


On the other hand, it's possible that the references regard space stations located in the Alpha Centauri system.

No, there are too many canonical references to planets and cities in the system. Besides, this is Trek. It's not a universe that embraces the idea of populated megastructures or space habitats all that much. By default, it's always assumed that people live on planets.


Or possibly there is a suitable rocky planet but one that might have required generations of large scale terraforming to be habitable. Not suitable therefore for the 2131 colonists.

That's pretty much the explanation I went with in my books, as discussed above -- that it was a less ideal target for settlement than Terra Nova, but still adaptable with sufficient effort.
 
No, there are too many canonical references to planets and cities in the system. Besides, this is Trek. It's not a universe that embraces the idea of populated megastructures or space habitats all that much. By default, it's always assumed that people live on planets.

Not at all. We can easily reinterpret things like Centauri 7 as space stations. I see no reason to think that people don't live on space stations in Trek.

And/or there are planets, but nothing suitable. Ie. Already inhabited, or Uninhabited but not "shovel ready", or not otherwise unclaimed, etc.

That's pretty much the explanation I went with in my books, as discussed above -- that it was a less ideal target for settlement than Terra Nova, but still adaptable with sufficient effort.

Definitely say it was less ideal. As I outlined, there are a number of criteria to be met in choosing a suitable location and it's easy breezy to explain that nothing closer than Terra Nova was available, uninhabited, shovel ready conditions, etc within a 20 ly distance from Earth.

Obviously Cochranes association with Alpha Centauri predates the Terra Nova colonists. But the colonists, again, might prefer unihabited, to just building a neighborhood in an already populated location.

No reason to bring up anything about writers astronomical knowledge.
 
I am adding to the debate about humanity's connection to Alpha Centauri with a quote "Return to Tomorrow":

Do you wish that the first Apollo mission hadn't reached the moon, or that we hadn't gone on to Mars and then to the nearest star?

Make of that as you will.
 
Perhaps Alpha Centauri is a human presence but NOT an Earth colony? Maybe AlphaCent was seeded with life from Earth by the Preservers a long time ago.
Perhaps ... Alpha Centauri already had a indigenous non-Human (non-seeded) population, who the Human travelers meet upon their arrival.

Some Humans do journey to AC to live, but not as colonist, but as immigrants. They establish homes, businesses, even universities.
 
It was stated in "Terra Nova" that humans learned of a Earth-like planet less than twenty light years distant from Earth. This would be the planet later colonized by humans. I do not know of non-Earth like worlds that would support humanoid life forms in Star Trek. If the world is non-Earth like, the native population is something other than humanoid. So, the notion that a planet was inhabited by a humanoid population in the Alpha Centauri system is contrary to what is learned in "Terra Nova".
 
wierdly i started to slightly dislike the show on the fourth season
it didn't care about all the TOS references
i just wanted my show back
 
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