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Borg are back? (spoilers)

I'd assume a policy of destroying Borg artifacts would've been put in place after the events of Homecoming/The Farther Shore.

Actually, as per 'A singular destiny' a borg tech reverse engineering project by using recovered borg artifacts is underway in the Federation - apparently, borg artifacts only turn to dust under power.

And you can be sure all the significant powers - including the Typhon Pact members - have their own reverse engineering efforts.

If 'Destiny' proved anything, it was that the borg's technology is FAR superior to the local powers' tech.
 
The Borg will be back, sooner or later . I'd bet on sooner myself. Somewhere, somehow they will be back.
 
The Borg will be back, sooner or later . I'd bet on sooner myself. Somewhere, somehow they will be back.


Don't say that. You know how these 'author types' are, they're probably all chomping at the bit to be the first one to introduce the 'nuBorg'.
 
The Borg will be back, sooner or later . I'd bet on sooner myself. Somewhere, somehow they will be back.


Don't say that. You know how these 'author types' are, they're probably all chomping at the bit to be the first one to introduce the 'nuBorg'.

Maybe we should start a disincentive program... Anybody want to start a thread with "suggestions" for what to do with the first author who introduces the nuBorg (nothing too painful, of course)...? :evil:
 
I give it five years. I hope I'm wrong but likely in five and pretty much certain in ten is my guess.
 
Don't say that. You know how these 'author types' are, they're probably all chomping at the bit to be the first one to introduce the 'nuBorg'.

Not me. I never thought the Borg were a good idea in the first place. There aren't many stories you can tell about a faceless, depersonalized force of nature.
 
Don't say that. You know how these 'author types' are, they're probably all chomping at the bit to be the first one to introduce the 'nuBorg'.

Not me. I never thought the Borg were a good idea in the first place. There aren't many stories you can tell about a faceless, depersonalized force of nature.

Well, I think they're a good idea, just not particularly deep. Hurricanes, volcanoes, and asteroid strikes can after all provide a backdrop for fine stories.
 
Don't say that. You know how these 'author types' are, they're probably all chomping at the bit to be the first one to introduce the 'nuBorg'.

Not me. I never thought the Borg were a good idea in the first place. There aren't many stories you can tell about a faceless, depersonalized force of nature.

Well, I think they're a good idea, just not particularly deep. Hurricanes, volcanoes, and asteroid strikes can after all provide a backdrop for fine stories.

Sure, but those aren't really stories about hurricanes, volcanoes, or asteroid strikes. Those are stories about the universality and inevitability of death. (You know, like Destiny.)

Anyway, for my money, I see no reason whatsoever to presume that Gluttony was originally meant to be set after Destiny, nor do I see in its ending any evidence of any intention on the part of Pocket Books to bring the Borg back post-DEST. The author has said that he wrote it with an open ending to bring the Borg from that story back, but this doesn't mean that it would be set post-DEST.

Nor can I even begin to imagine why anyone would presume that the authors would be jumping all over themselves to undermine the great drama of the Destiny trilogy by bringing the Borg back. Seems silly to undermine the perfect resolution to a wonderful trilogy that way, and all for the sake of telling yet another cybernetic zombie story.
 
Well, I think they're a good idea, just not particularly deep. Hurricanes, volcanoes, and asteroid strikes can after all provide a backdrop for fine stories.

Sure, but those aren't really stories about hurricanes, volcanoes, or asteroid strikes. Those are stories about the universality and inevitability of death. (You know, like Destiny.)

Well yeah, I thought that was self-evident. Though it doesn't have to be about the inevitability of death - it can also be about the picking back up after disaster.

Nor can I even begin to imagine why anyone would presume that the authors would be jumping all over themselves to undermine the great drama of the Destiny trilogy by bringing the Borg back. Seems silly to undermine the perfect resolution to a wonderful trilogy that way, and all for the sake of telling yet another cybernetic zombie story.

Well, it's not as though the Destiny trilogy would be undone by the Borg's return. As a similar example, the Cult of Skarro's emergence in Army of Ghosts doesn't undermine the climax of Parting of the Ways.

And like comic books, sometimes people just like to take a crack at the "classic" villains.

Hopefully the Borg don't return (in the Prime timeline - there's always myriad universes, one-offs, material set pre-Destiny, etc.), but if they do, I'll still regard Destiny as a masterpiece.
 
Not me. I never thought the Borg were a good idea in the first place. There aren't many stories you can tell about a faceless, depersonalized force of nature.

Well, I think they're a good idea, just not particularly deep. Hurricanes, volcanoes, and asteroid strikes can after all provide a backdrop for fine stories.

Sure, but those aren't really stories about hurricanes, volcanoes, or asteroid strikes. Those are stories about the universality and inevitability of death. (You know, like Destiny.)

Only one borg story was about disaster porn - Destiny.

Nor can I even begin to imagine why anyone would presume that the authors would be jumping all over themselves to undermine the great drama of the Destiny trilogy by bringing the Borg back.

It's quite simple, actually - because the borg are a popular species and can, potentially, sell books.
 
Well, it's not as though the Destiny trilogy would be undone by the Borg's return. As a similar example, the Cult of Skarro's emergence in Army of Ghosts doesn't undermine the climax of Parting of the Ways.

But only because it was always the standard that the Daleks get destroyed forever and then come back next year - that dates all the way back to their first story.

As for authors champing at the bit to bring back the Borg - not this one. Oh, I have a Borg story idea, but it would have to be set way back before the Dominion War, and I've never actually pitched it.
 
Nor can I even begin to imagine why anyone would presume that the authors would be jumping all over themselves to undermine the great drama of the Destiny trilogy by bringing the Borg back.

It's quite simple, actually - because the borg are a popular species and can, potentially, sell books.

Considering that the Destiny trilogy was explicitly conceived to be the last Borg story, considering the widely-acknowledged creative difficulties making Borg stories work well, and considering that none of the pre-DEST Borg novels were very big hits, I sincerely doubt that the authors would regard reviving the Borg as being a good idea from a dramatic or from a marketing standpoint.

Nor can I even begin to imagine why anyone would presume that the authors would be jumping all over themselves to undermine the great drama of the Destiny trilogy by bringing the Borg back. Seems silly to undermine the perfect resolution to a wonderful trilogy that way, and all for the sake of telling yet another cybernetic zombie story.

Well, it's not as though the Destiny trilogy would be undone by the Borg's return.

Not "undone" in the sense of, made the events of the plot not happen. But it would certain be "undone" in the sense of, completely undermining the point of the trilogy. Destiny, after all, was about mortality and how we choose to respond to it -- contrasting the Borg's eternal hunger and hopeless yearning with the Federation's willingness to stand by its principles and the Caeliar's eventually learning to shed their delusions of immortality. These philosophical conflicts can only be resolved by the Collective being permanently dismantled and the liberated drones accepted into Caeliar society. If the Borg are later revived, this fundamentally undermines the philosophical resolution to the conflicts that drove the story.

To draw a comparison:

Reviving the Borg in a story set in the Destiny timeline after the DEST trilogy would be the equivalent of making a sequel to Terminator 2: Judgment Day. The entire point of T2 was that there is no fate, that the future is in our hands and we can change it. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines completely contradicted the entire philosophical drive of T2 by essentially asserting, "No, there is fate and you can't fight it." It essentially pissed all over its predecessor. Reviving the Borg would be like pissing all over the Destiny trilogy in the same way that T3 pissed all over T2.

As a similar example, the Cult of Skarro's emergence in Army of Ghosts doesn't undermine the climax of Parting of the Ways.

I think it did, actually. In fact, really, I think "Bad Wolf"/"the Parting of the Ways" undermined "Dalek" -- if I'd had my way, the Dalek in that episode would have been the last of the Daleks, period.

And like comic books, sometimes people just like to take a crack at the "classic" villains.

Sure, but that's why they can set a story in a different continuity (not all books have to be part of the Destinyverse) or pre-DEST.
 
You really can't imagine a three book series with "The Borg are back!" as a tagline?

The current authors may not want to or plan to bring back the Borg but I'm sure there's someone working on a pitch right now. It may not happen for a few year but someone will pitch it to Pocket. If Pocket and CBS think they'll make money off of it, the Borg will rise again.
 
You really can't imagine a three book series with "The Borg are back!" as a tagline?

Of course I can imagine it.

I just can't imagine that the authors or editors would think it was a good idea or would be willing to do it.
 
The Borg worked a couple of times for me after their initial showing, those two times being BOBW and Peter David's Vendetta.
I was 16 when BOBW aired and I guess 17 when PAD's book came out and I actually can remember that feeling of dread when the Borg show up in that episode and and also when they came back with three cubes in PAD's great book.
They've completely worn out their welcome and it's harder and harder for me to recall that feeling I had back then.
 
The Borg will be back, sooner or later . I'd bet on sooner myself. Somewhere, somehow they will be back.


Don't say that. You know how these 'author types' are, they're probably all chomping at the bit to be the first one to introduce the 'nuBorg'.

The Borg will be back, sooner or later . I'd bet on sooner myself. Somewhere, somehow they will be back.


Don't say that. You know how these 'author types' are, they're probably all chomping at the bit to be the first one to introduce the 'nuBorg'.

Maybe we should start a disincentive program... Anybody want to start a thread with "suggestions" for what to do with the first author who introduces the nuBorg (nothing too painful, of course)...? :evil:

*cough* The Delta Anomaly *cough*
 
Well, I think they're a good idea, just not particularly deep. Hurricanes, volcanoes, and asteroid strikes can after all provide a backdrop for fine stories.

Sure, but those aren't really stories about hurricanes, volcanoes, or asteroid strikes. Those are stories about the universality and inevitability of death. (You know, like Destiny.)

Well yeah, I thought that was self-evident. Though it doesn't have to be about the inevitability of death - it can also be about the picking back up after disaster.

But that's just it. There aren't really many interesting stories to tell about the Borg per se. The interesting stories are about survivors of the Borg -- liberated drones, refugees, people coping with the aftermath of the Borg's actions. And in the wake of Destiny, we've got tons of post-Borg aftermath, and that's fertile ground to explore. (Though only in a figurative sense, since former Borg territory would be pretty much barren.) It's far more interesting to explore how the galaxy adjusts in the wake of the Borg's defeat, how the landscape changes with them permanently gone, than it would be to resurrect them and just go back to telling the same old repetitive disaster stories and zombie stories. As Kestrel said, the Borg aren't a deep concept. Anything worthwhile that can be done with them as an active presence has pretty much already been mined. It's more interesting to go forward from there.
 
I don't disagree with you at all Christopher but I still think they will return. They're well known, even outside of hardcore Trek fandom.
 
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