Spoilers Book of Boba Fett [Spoiler Discussion]
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What is most interesting to me now, in light of this recent episode and the sequels, is that Yoda's words take on a different sense of foreboding. "If you leave now, help then you could, but would destroy all that they have fought and suffered." (I'm sure I'm getting the line a bit wrong). In light of what happened in the OT there was nothing, aside from Luke losing his hand, that would warrant such a dire warning.
No. Why?
It seems like these episodes are here to put the pieces in the proper place for future projects. I've been wondering if the upcoming shows will take similar digressions. Take an episode of the Mandalorian to look in on Boba Fett and Fennec Stand or take an episode of Ahsoka to look at on Luke and his Academy. We already know that all these shows are going to be serving a larger story, maybe they want to make it feel as much like a single narrative as possible.
I've been looking and have not found much of anything from anyone on this series. Unlike Peacemaker which has social media and interviews galore it has been very hard to glean anything about this show. Then again, they've done a pretty good job of keeping a handle on leaks so maybe that's part of it. I'm hoping for some beefy behind-the-scene specials after the series finishes.
I thought they talked about making a world out of the Mandalorian universe.
These last two episodes are kind of giving me a new perspective on the appearance of Ahsoka, Bo-Katan, Boba Fett etc. in Mandalorian s2.
Back then I was glad to see the characters, but I thought it was a shame that they were being so blatant in using The Mandalorian to set up all their other series. Now it's seeming like The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka etc. may actually function like different seasons of a single series which is structured a bit like The Clone Wars cartoon, where the focus drifts around to various characters.
Back then I was glad to see the characters, but I thought it was a shame that they were being so blatant in using The Mandalorian to set up all their other series. Now it's seeming like The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka etc. may actually function like different seasons of a single series which is structured a bit like The Clone Wars cartoon, where the focus drifts around to various characters.
Damn, I didn't know it was possible to fit so much awesome in one episode.
Ahsoka!
Luke training Grogu!
Grogu during the 501st's attack on the Jedi Temple!
Ahsoka and Luke together!
Cobb Vanth vs Cad Bane!
I was a little disappointed that Luke and Ahsoka were already together here, I was really hoping we'd get their first meeting on screen. I guess there is a chance we will see it in her show, but it will lose a bit of power now that we've already seen them together.
Not sure if Vanth survived or not, I could see them going either way with it. If he survives he'll convince the Freetowners to join Boba so he get payback on Bane, but at the same if he dies the Freetowners will probably join up to get revenge.
The bombing on of Sancturary really surprised me.
At least this episode ties a bit more into the show's wider arc than last week's did, once Din leaves the planet Luke & Grogu were on.
Ahsoka!
Luke training Grogu!
Grogu during the 501st's attack on the Jedi Temple!
Ahsoka and Luke together!
Cobb Vanth vs Cad Bane!
I was a little disappointed that Luke and Ahsoka were already together here, I was really hoping we'd get their first meeting on screen. I guess there is a chance we will see it in her show, but it will lose a bit of power now that we've already seen them together.
Not sure if Vanth survived or not, I could see them going either way with it. If he survives he'll convince the Freetowners to join Boba so he get payback on Bane, but at the same if he dies the Freetowners will probably join up to get revenge.
The bombing on of Sancturary really surprised me.
At least this episode ties a bit more into the show's wider arc than last week's did, once Din leaves the planet Luke & Grogu were on.
Maybe some survived that bombing if they had some blast doors that could be lowered at Star Wars speeds.
Yoda's warning was because he suspected Vader's involvement, and knew Vader could/would drop the Anakin bomb on Luke. And without completing his training, how would Luke handle that? I think there was a very real possibility, in Yoda's mind, that Luke would die in that battle. That, rattled from learning the truth, he'd act rashly and get murdered. Or worse, that Luke might turn. I don't think Luke falling was the main point, but it's definitely an undercurrent of the discussion.
And that dooms the galaxy. Only a Jedi can hope to defeat the Emperor. If Luke dies, then everything Han and Leia have fought and bled for is for nothing because the Empire will win.
Now, obviously, "There is another." But that means starting the whole process over with Leia. And she'll have questions, with answers she won't like. No sure thing.
Well, kinda killed Kanan, which one could argue hurt a bit.
But again, missing the point. The point is NOT that Jedi can't love, be close to people, or connect. They can, they do. Protecting those you love is at the very heart of the light side of the Force. Kanan's death is the most Jedi act one can perform, protecting others at the expense of yourself.
But, ultimately, their calling is larger than those connections and they need to be prepared to put them aside and do what needs doing sometimes. When the Force calls, you must be able to answer. Anakin, for example, couldn't do that. When the choice was defeat Palpatine or try to save Padme, he chose selfishly. (And, the Force responded by making sure it's next call was through the person of his son, knowing Anakin couldn't ultimately ignore that even in the face of the Emperor.)
This was part of what Luke was trying to get across to Grogu. Love the Mandalorian, miss him and remember him fondly. But be prepared to let him go, forever, if it's what the Force requires. This is the cost of being a Jedi. You go where the Force needs you, whether that be into danger or far from those you care about. You live your life for a cause beyond yourself and you accept that might mean never again seeing the people you love.
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But enough about "The Kiss".
That doesn't fit. Yoda's comments were not ambiguous.
As disappointing as I found Luke and Asoka not being open to a more humanistic view of Jedi-ing, the thing that really bothered me was Luke telling Grogu after his flashback, "The galaxy is a dangerous place, I'll teach you to defend yourself." To be a Jedi is to live a life of service, to defend others, not oneself. Attachment to oneself is probably the one kind of attachment that the Jedi actually should be worried about. Anakin's ego was what corrupted his love for Shimi and Padme, not the love itself. "I should've saved her," "I can stop you from dying."
I guess Luke needs to have an arc of his own before he gets to the point where he can see the way the Jedi Order ossified itself into failure, and then express the purest form of their ideals the galaxy had ever seen. His final act was one of love, of embracing attachment, though not the boogyman version of "attachment" the late-stage Order warned against, but of surrendering himself, and completely shedding fear and violence. TLJ Luke calls to mind the first letter to the Corinthians, not just in his distraction of Kylo Ren, but his appearance to the Resistance, especially his words to Leia that no one is ever really gone. On the other hand, the late Jedi, and Luke in this episode, seemed to take their views more from Bender from Futurama; "Love is suspicious, love is needy, love is fearful, love is greedy: There is no great love without great jealousy."
I suppose having Luke being cold-blooded in the Jedi way also helps rationalize his inclination to kill Ben, in which case wise, learned, greatest-Jedi-in-history Luke is entirely a product of his meditations on three thousand years of failures and Rey and Yoda convincing him that things could still be different this time, and I should get used to him being kind of a bastard in all future appearances, which is disappointing.
I guess Luke needs to have an arc of his own before he gets to the point where he can see the way the Jedi Order ossified itself into failure, and then express the purest form of their ideals the galaxy had ever seen. His final act was one of love, of embracing attachment, though not the boogyman version of "attachment" the late-stage Order warned against, but of surrendering himself, and completely shedding fear and violence. TLJ Luke calls to mind the first letter to the Corinthians, not just in his distraction of Kylo Ren, but his appearance to the Resistance, especially his words to Leia that no one is ever really gone. On the other hand, the late Jedi, and Luke in this episode, seemed to take their views more from Bender from Futurama; "Love is suspicious, love is needy, love is fearful, love is greedy: There is no great love without great jealousy."
I suppose having Luke being cold-blooded in the Jedi way also helps rationalize his inclination to kill Ben, in which case wise, learned, greatest-Jedi-in-history Luke is entirely a product of his meditations on three thousand years of failures and Rey and Yoda convincing him that things could still be different this time, and I should get used to him being kind of a bastard in all future appearances, which is disappointing.
I should have figured that Garsa Fwip's days were numbered.
Enjoyed it, but not enough Boba Fett for my taste (just like the previous episode).
Enjoyed it, but not enough Boba Fett for my taste (just like the previous episode).
How else could Luke be with how he was trained?
Is this finale going to be movie-length? I kinda feel it has to be at this point.
The way things are going it's going to be the sequel to the Holiday Special.
No, they weren't. He told Luke (whom he was trying to convince wasn't ready and should stay) "If you go, then none of this, not you, not your friends, any of it, mattered."
That's pretty on the nose. But his intention is obvious given the later reveal. Yoda doesn't believe Luke is ready to face Vader. He's right. Yoda believes that Luke is going to die. Because that's what happens when you aren't ready to face a monster and you walk in front of it anyway. Vader has killed countless fully trained Jedi. Luke is no match for him at this point.
But Vader also has knowledge. Knowledge that only Obi-wan and Yoda have, and which can undermine Luke in a truly unique way. That isn't a stretch at all, that's just common sense. Luke's attachment to his friends is putting him danger. Luke's attachment to his absent father may very well get him killed.
Yoda isn't trying to be cagey, he isn't trying to forewarn of some other cataclysm. Luke facing Vader at this point IS the cataclysm.
I disagree.