BOBW Score CD Question (Audio Glitches)

[Joe_Atari]

Hi all:

I've owned the GNP Crescendo CD of Ron Jones' Best of Both Worlds score since it was released (probably the day it was released now that I think about it) and something's always bugged me. During Track 11 ("Captain Borg" -- my favorite track naturally, I love when it breaks into the TOS theme when Locutus is revealed), I've always heard two prominent "clicks" in the audio at 1:34 and 1:44. I've never tried to compare my CD to others to determine if the problem was a defective CD or a mastering error (I always assumed the latter).

Has anyone else with the score heard this and if so what's the cause?

Thanks!

 

[StalwartUK]

My copy doesn't have the clicks. You probably have a faulty CD. Have you looked at the disc for any marks/scratches?

 

[Joe_Atari]

Have you looked at the disc for any marks/scratches?

Thanks for the feedback! Yep; the disc looked (and still looks) flawless. When I first noticed the problem back in the day I just assumed it was a mastering problem and that a replacement would have the same problem (nothing about the sound, location, timing, etc. of the glitches was consistent with a scratch or pressing flaw as far as I knew) so I've always lived with it. Maybe it's time to grab a new copy...

Funny thing is that when I ripped the disc to my PC well over a decade ago (and I still have the original WAV file I ripped to; I'm a packrat that way) the clicks were in exactly the same spots. There didn't seem to be any errors in the extraction process either.

 

[roliver]

I've never noticed it before, but my copy has these issues as well.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I've also always had that issue. I've gotten so used to it, I'd forgotten about it.

 

[Tiberius]

Hi all:

I've owned the GNP Crescendo CD of Ron Jones' Best of Both Worlds score since it was released (probably the day it was released now that I think about it) and something's always bugged me. During Track 11 ("Captain Borg" -- my favorite track naturally, I love when it breaks into the TOS theme when Locutus is revealed), I've always heard two prominent "clicks" in the audio at 1:34 and 1:44. I've never tried to compare my CD to others to determine if the problem was a defective CD or a mastering error (I always assumed the latter).

Has anyone else with the score heard this and if so what's the cause?

Thanks!

My one has those clicks too. Never heard them before now, but they are there.

BTW, it's not the TOS theme.

 

[Joe_Atari]

Thanks again for all of the feedback. Sorry others have the problem, but glad I'm not crazy. I noticed it when I first listened to it, and like I said I had gotten used to it as well over many subsequent plays. Only lately have I thought to ask around about it. Now I wonder if it was ever corrected on later pressings, iTunes, etc. Maybe I'll just grab another CD for the heck of it...

BTW, it's not the TOS theme.

Or maybe I am crazy after all. The cue right after Worf says "Captain!" in BOBW (right before he runs over to Locutus) sounds to me like at least a variation of the TOS theme after "Space, the final frontier" in the opening titles. At least that's what I thought Jones was shooting for. Is it actually another TNG theme or just something unique to the BOBW score?

 

[Tiberius]

You mean that bit where there is the choir singing? With the D, C, B, E flat, D? (Online piano because I'm nice.)

 

[Joe_Atari]

You mean that bit where there is the choir singing? With the D, C, B, E flat, D? (Online piano because I'm nice.)

You got me; I'm not that musical. It's the 10-note part. Here's the best way I can illustrate it; compare the following:


BOBW (from 1:17 to 1:24)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbbNn0yPJs0


TOS (from 0:07 to 0:12)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdjL8WXjlGI


The former sounds to me like an ominous homage to the latter.

Also, if you listen to the rest of the BOBW clip on YouTube, the clicks are NOT there (at least I couldn't hear them). So there are correct copies out there somewhere; I'll have to ask the poster where they got their audio.

Thanks!

 

[Tiberius]

OH!

Yes, you're right, I never noticed that before! The bit I was thinking of was the choir singing when Locutus turns around. The bit you are talking of is indeed the Alexander Courage Classic Trek fanfare! The note values have changed (how long they are and the rythym) but the notes are the same. Nicely spotted!

 

[Joe_Atari]

That moment gives me chills every time I hear it, whether in the episode or the score alone. To me that moment symbolized exactly when TNG picked up the baton from TOS (although TFF dropped it a year earlier IMO) and came into its own. A great cliffhanger and -- for those who saw it on its first run in 1990 -- a breathless summer wondering if Picard would return. Obviously Ron Jones' score played a big part of that, so of course he had to be fired...