Bob Orci open to the possibility of Khan

[Captain Pike]

^ ^ Remember Scotty's line: if there's any logic to Romulan design, you'll be in the cargo bay with not a soul around.

Not exactly.

Still not a massive failure, and that line could merely imply that a) Scotty is not infallible and/or b) there is no immediately perceivable logic to Romulan design.

 

[Jeri]

The only reason it wasn't a massive failure was that Kirk and Spock are good shots and quick on their feet -- and the Romulans were taken by surprise.

Scotty could not see what he was beaming them into. It doesn't work well.

 

[Captain Pike]

Your looking at it in a tactical sense though. In terms of achievement, it's an experimental success.

 

[Jeri]

Oh, yeah; they'll get it ironed out sometime; just maybe not too quick. The point is, they may not want a transporter that is too capable. There has to be room for some difficulty and drama.

 

[pookha]

^ ^ Remember Scotty's line: if there's any logic to Romulan design, you'll be in the cargo bay with not a soul around.

Not exactly.

Still not a massive failure, and that line could merely imply that a) Scotty is not infallible and/or b) there is no immediately perceivable logic to Romulan design.

or to show that concepts of romulan design has changed over the 120 something plus years.. something we actually do see in tng when the romulan ships look vastly different from what we had seen before.
or a hint that yes indeed nero's ship had been adapted and it may have a possible alien influence.

 

[Roshi]

Uh, yeah but what about Scotty beaming Kirk & Spock from Enterprise near Titan onto the Narada in Earth orbit ?

None of the ships were at warp!

 

[Captain Pike]

Uh, yeah but what about Scotty beaming Kirk & Spock from Enterprise near Titan onto the Narada in Earth orbit ?

None of the ships were at warp!

So?? It is still about a billion times the beaming distance of anything we saw in Trek previously.

 

[Roshi]

Ahem, think proportionally, will you? The beaming equation would be far more complex if the start point and the end point are in the same system whereas I'm sure the variables would be tremendously superior to calculate the beaming equation from one (relatively speaking) motionless point i.e. Delta Vega and a moving point at an insane velocity i.e. the Enterprise. Hence, I emphasize the terms less complex.
Scotty used Spock's equation (huge nod at TVH) from DV to WarpENT -- an equation older Scotty would eventually find out -- and reset said equation with less complex variables (but certainly still complex compared to Prime TOS 23rd Century) when beaming from a motionless point of origin.
I agree it's a stretch. But who cares, it's just a plot point easily overlooked.

 

[seigezunt]

How about the Enterprise Incident? Their might be fodder for a re-twist...

 

[Franklin]

Ahem, think proportionally, will you? The beaming equation would be far more complex if the start point and the end point are in the same system whereas I'm sure the variables would be tremendously superior to calculate the beaming equation from one (relatively speaking) motionless point i.e. Delta Vega and a moving point at an insane velocity i.e. the Enterprise. Hence, I emphasize the terms less complex.
Scotty used Spock's equation (huge nod at TVH) from DV to WarpENT -- an equation older Scotty would eventually find out -- and reset said equation with less complex variables (but certainly still complex compared to Prime TOS 23rd Century) when beaming from a motionless point of origin.
I agree it's a stretch. But who cares, it's just a plot point easily overlooked.

Yes.

It's also a point that's only going to upset the tech-minded fans. No non-fan enjoying the movie is going to even know what "warp 4" is (they'll probably assume -- correctly but wrongly -- it means four times the speed of light). They'll also have no idea of what transporter ranges and capacities were in Trek.
I've also wondered out loud before if Spock Prime was deceiving Kirk and Scotty about Scott coming up with the equation, anyway. Make it easier for them to agree to do it. Could be Scotty recognizes what going on in them, but it may still take years before he is able to make those equations work dependably in actual transports.
After all, twenty-four years after the event, that guy back in S.F. must still be working out the equations Scotty gave him. I mean, I don't see any transparent aluminum, yet. Maybe he gave up.

 

[Jeri]

They do have developments in the transparent aluminum materials front. I remember a couple years back there was an announcement and a photograph. They showed a candle behind a sheet of nearly transparent aluminum. They're working on it.

"The experts can figure this out: and when they do, we're going to put you away for 200 years!"

"That ought to be just about right..."

 

[seekertwo]

...Now, with Spock Prime providing Scotty with his future "formula", they can beam onto a ship travelling at warp, many lightyears away...This new technology may have opened up a new khan of worms!

I thought so, too; I thought they were going to be sorry and wish transporters weren't quite so capable.

But I read in Orci's Q&A that it's not really a worry, because even with Spock at the controls, it didn't work very well. Scotty almost got killed, he reminded. So, they don't think they will be necessarily having to use that.

Maybe it didn't work well in one sense....but, had Scotty been an armed photon torpedo, it could have worked better than anyone expected...

 

[Anticitizen]

Good point! They could beam a torpedo to a system light-years away with a standard transporter pad.

 

[Australis]

That's why they can't beamn through shields, it wopuld leave such a huge plot hole in the entire franchise that sdoesn't bear thinking about.

 

[Jeri]

Yeah, and I think plot holes are what's under discussion, too; not really transporter capabilities, since there is no such thing.

 

[Australis]

But they're working on it!

 

[Anticitizen]

That's why they can't beamn through shields, it wopuld leave such a huge plot hole in the entire franchise that sdoesn't bear thinking about.

Yeah, but they rarely raise shields until they're close to one another. As long as they can keep their super-beaming a secret, they'll be unstoppable.

 

[Jeri]

But they're working on it!

They've done a sub-atomic particle so far. Not even so much as a piece of celery; or a chicken sandwich and coffee. I wish they'd get a move on. I'm more interested in food replication.

 

[Australis]

So I gathered

 

[Jeri]

So I gathered

Well, the chicken sandwich and coffee is from Trouble With Tribbles...