Blame..NIMOY??

[RobertScorpio]

The movie, for all we know, will be very good. In fact, Leonard Nimoy is on record saying that it will be good. He has even gone on to say that he wouldn't have come back if it wasn't a good script.

Shatner, to this very day, is grilled by those (not me) who think Generations was a bad movie. "How could he have even done that movie. Didn't he read the script?" And they don't limit it just to Kirk's death, but the entire movie as a whole. Berman and Shatner, and RDM to some degree, are the ones who messed up that movie, some say.

If XI blows chuncks, though I predict it will be very good, but of it does blow chunks and craps all over STAR TREK, will Nimoy get any of the blame??? Some how I doubt it.

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^
^^Shatner is easier to dislike than Nimoy.

I'm not saying Nimoy is necessarily a better person than Shatner, I'm just saying that Shatner's personality lends itself to people looking for reasons to criticize him.
Nimoy's doesn't.

 

[RobertScorpio]

^
^^Shatner is easier to dislike than Nimoy.

I'm not saying Nimoy is necessarily a better person than Shatner, I'm just saying that Shatner's personality lends itself to people looking for reasons to criticize him.

Perhaps, but I count my self as one who is in Shatner's corner. So if they blame him for V and Generations, then Nimoy, if this movie blows, after assuring it would be good (putting his credit on the line so to speak) should be blamed if it doesn't meet up with expectations.

Rob

 

[Augustus]

I don't blame Shatner. But I am one who says that Generations wasn't terrible. Wasn't great, certainly not a classic Trek story, but I think it has its moments.

That being said, I think Nimoy could get some flack since he is legitimizing this "reboot" or whatever with his presence in the film.

But here's hoping it is among the best Trek ever made!

 

[Jefferies]

If this movie should turn out to be poor because of bad writing, I would lose quite a bit of respect for Leonard Nimoy. Up till now, at least in my opinion, he has shown quite a good feel for what constitutes a good Star Trek script. If it turns out he signed off on a bad script I would suspect he did it for money or is becoming senile. So yes, I would blame him for fooling us.

 

[CaptainDonovin]

I honestly don't think Nimoy would have thrown the ears on again if it were a pile of bantha podo. He was happy w/ his photography and whatever else he was doing.

 

[Maurice]

I've long since realized that actors are not necessarily good judges of the quality of a script. Furthermore, some scripts read well and play badly, or vice versa. Some actors can make bad lines seem brilliant, and some vice versa. I'm not going to blame a performer for their opinion of the material.

 

[ST-One]

I've long since realized that actors are not necessarily good judges of the quality of a script. Furthermore, some scripts read well and play badly, or vice versa. Some actors can make bad lines seem brilliant, and some vice versa. I'm not going to blame a performer for their opinion of the material.

Agreed.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I honestly don't think Nimoy would have thrown the ears on again if it were a pile of bantha podo. He was happy w/ his photography and whatever else he was doing.

And I agree...but if it stinks will you hold his feet to fire???

Rob

 

[maryh]

I believe you are comparing apples and oranges. To the best of my knowledge Spock does not kill of his character in this movie - which is why people are mad at Shatner. We aren't mad at him because Generations sucked.

When Nimoy killed off Spock in TWOK, I was indeed mad at him for not respecting the character. However, he subsequently embraced the character and brought him back. Still there is a little blame I place upon him for killing Spock off because it weakened the credibility of the franchise IMO.

I was mad at Shatner after Generations because I was always open to the idea of recasting with younger actors and it killed that idea. There is a difference between acting in a sucky movie and killing off of a beloved character.

 

[Kelso]

Well, I hope that Old Spock does die in this movie.


So, there.

 

[maryh]

Well, I hope that Old Spock does die in this movie.


So, there.

If we were not getting a new Spock I would care very much. Same with Kirk. When Shatner killed him off there was no replacement occurring. I like the characters and wish for more stories about these characters. Looks like I'm getting my wishes.

 

[JuanBolio]

Eventually every character has to die, especially with a universe that spans hundreds of years. As in real life, some deaths are epic and noble, most just suck. Can't blame writers and actors for allowing characters to die once in awhile. Besides, Kirk's dead didn't stop him from being re-cast and having new adventures, did it?

 

[maryh]

Eventually every character has to die, especially with a universe that spans hundreds of years. As in real life, some deaths are epic and noble, most just suck. Can't blame writers and actors for allowing characters to die once in awhile. Besides, Kirk's dead didn't stop him from being re-cast and having new adventures, did it?

Legends and icons don't die!! We will always have James Bond or Batman. I don't understand why fictional characters have to be killed off. When you kill them off the stories do tend to die. We haven't seen Kirk in decades because they killed him off. I would have rather they recasted years ago and produced a few good flicks in between. But then again, I'm not the one putting up the money.

 

[CoveTom]

So if they blame him for V and Generations, then Nimoy, if this movie blows, after assuring it would be good (putting his credit on the line so to speak) should be blamed if it doesn't meet up with expectations.

I don't think including V is a fair comparison. Shatner was the director and one of the writers of TFF. Therefore, I think it's totally fair to lay blame at his doorstep for the movie's failings. Yes, some of it was out of his control, but ultimately the director is fair game when it comes to credit/blame.

Generations, I think, is a more apt analogy. But, to be honest, I've never heard anyone blame Shatner for the quality of the film overall. Rather, I hear people blame him for Kirk's death specifically, because he had to consent to every aspect of that in order for it to happen. But for the rest of Generations' failings, I usually hear the blame handed to Moore and Braga. Interestingly, no one ever blames director David Carson...

 

[biotech]

I lived V, certainly a lot more than insurrection and nemesis.