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Blade Runner 2

The only thing that concerns me about the length is it tells me this is likely to be a much more plot-heavy movie than the original (and the trailers so far seem to back that up). I was really hoping it would be done in the same kind of dream-like, stylistic way that was more about creating a mood and atmosphere, and where everything wasn't spelled out for the audience.
 
The only thing that concerns me about the length is it tells me this is likely to be a much more plot-heavy movie than the original (and the trailers so far seem to back that up). I was really hoping it would be done in the same kind of dream-like, stylistic way that was more about creating a mood and atmosphere, and where everything wasn't spelled out for the audience.

Well, often the best sequels aren't the same as their originals; they find a new way of approaching the premise. Look at the best sequel to a Ridley Scott movie (or the only good one so far), Aliens. It's not even in the same genre as the original, more a big military action movie than a claustrophobic horror movie. Similarly, Terminator 2 told a much bigger, more epic story than its original and pretty much upended a lot of the original's elements -- the villain became a hero, the damsel became a hardened warrior, the defense against Skynet became an offense, etc. The Empire Strikes Back took the big, fun space adventure to a deeper, more ambiguous place. And so on. A sequel is an opportunity to do more, to take things to the next level. Sequels that just try to duplicate the original are generally less effective.
 
Yeah I get that, and those are all great examples of sequels that expanded the story in interesting ways. It's just that Blade Runner is one case where it's the amazing style and atmosphere of the world, along with the music and Scott's direction, that's always made the biggest impression on me and that I've wanted to revisit. Delving more into the history and backstory of that world, or learning whatever the Replicants are planning to do next, has just never been something that's interested me as much.

The one example that keeps coming to me is 2010, where you had this incredibly bold and mesmerizing work of art that was Kubrick's film... followed by a pedestrian, plot-heavy scifi movie that was only concerned with "advancing the story" and lacked much of the spirit and creativity of the original. Although obviously I expect the BR sequel will be a whole lot better than that movie was.
 
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The one example that keeps coming to me is 2010, where you had this incredibly bold and mesmerizing work of art that was Kubrick's film... followed by a pedestrian, plot-heavy scifi movie that was only concerned with "advancing the story" and lacked much of the spirit and creativity of the original.

I think you're forgetting that 2010 was a book first, and 2001 was a book and a film simultaneously. Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick developed and made their versions of 2001 together in full collaboration, with both of them collaborating on the film script and Clarke then expanding it into the novel; but Kubrick took his version in a very stylized and surreal direction while Clarke wrote his version in his usual, much more expository and straightforward style. In 1982, Clarke wrote the book 2010: Odyssey Two, which was actually more a sequel to the movie version than the original book (in that it put the Monolith at Jupiter rather than Saturn, along with other differences), but which still carried forward the storytelling style and a lot of the ideas of the original book, including the explanation of HAL's breakdown. Two years later, Peter Hyams adapted Clarke's novel into a film, in close e-mail collaboration with Clarke (at a time when e-mail was still new and rare).

So the creativity underlying both stories is Clarke's, and if you read the books, you'll see a lot more continuity of concept and style. The difference is that Kubrick's film was a joint creation with Clarke than nonetheless went off in its own stylistic direction, while Hyams's was more of a standard, trimmed-down adaptation of a pre-existing novel. I think there's a lot to like about the movie, but as with most such adaptations, the book is better, the fuller and truer version of the story being told.

Speaking as a Clarke fan, I think Hyams did a better job adapting Clarke's style than Kubrick did. I liked it that 2010 told a more straightforward story -- and frankly, 2001 bores the hell out of me. 2010's plot is less minimalist, the characters are more human, and it actually has an original score (complete with Blaster Beam!) instead of just a bunch of stock music. (I've never liked Kubrick's approach to music.) Its main drawback is that Hyams tried to make the film more "topical" by throwing in a lot of Cold War tension that wasn't in the book -- which made the film quite dated when the USSR fell just five years later. Also having gravity in the Pod Bay and casting a white actor as Dr. Chandra.
 
Speaking as a Clarke fan, 2001 is a masterpiece, and one of the greatest films ever made....

That said, I like 2010 better now than I did when it first came out, though 2001 still outshines it.

If BR2 compares to BR the way 2010 compares to 2001, I'll be satisfied.
 
My biggest hope is that Ryan Gosling will carry the film the same way Harrison did in the original. He had screen presence just drinking and playing the piano. I dig world weary, flawed, but heroic protagonists.
 
Yeah 2010 might be a more faithful adaptation of Clarke's work, but to me it's the final movie that really matters. And for me Kubrick's movie just stands apart as something a whole lot more interesting and unique. Just like his Shining manages to take Stephen King's book to a whole other level.

Although I guess it helps that I've always been a fan of movies with that artier, more impressionistic style (the recent Jackie being another excellent example).
 
Yeah 2010 might be a more faithful adaptation of Clarke's work, but to me it's the final movie that really matters. And for me Kubrick's movie just stands apart as something a whole lot more interesting and unique.

That may be, but you were talking about 2010 as if it were only a movie, as if it were some kind of illegitimate continuation or knockoff. It didn't even sound like you were aware that it was based on a book by the same person who created the story of the original film. I agree that Hyams's execution of the film was more prosaic than Kubrick's, but you were speaking of creativity, and the ideas in both films were created by the same man, Arthur C. Clarke. He should not be ignored in a discussion of the two films, because neither one of them would exist without him.

And it doesn't even really work to compare the two films directly, because they're at different levels of originality. 2001, the movie, was arguably the original form of the work, since Clarke wrote the novel based on the movie outline and script that he and Kubrick wrote together. But 2010, the movie, was simply a more conventional adaptation of a novel that had come out 2 years earlier and been written purely as a novel. So in that case, the novel is the true form of the work, and the film should be seen as secondary to it, an interpretation that trimmed it down significantly and took some liberties with the story.


Just like his Shining manages to take Stephen King's book to a whole other level.

Doesn't Stephen King hate Kubrick's version of The Shining and insist he completely missed the point?
 
Doesn't Stephen King hate Kubrick's version of The Shining and insist he completely missed the point?
I've read posts of yours that praise adaptation as the repurposing of a preexisting story, in which you insist that change is normal and that an adaptation need not, and generally does not, preserve all the elements of the work on which it is based. That's what Kubrick did here, with Diane Johnson.
 
Wow, never thought before that I'd have to justify and rationalize why 2001 is a superior movie to 2010. :lol:
 
Wow, never thought before that I'd have to justify and rationalize why 2001 is a superior movie to 2010. :lol:

That's not even what this is about. You haven't heard a word I've said. I'm not defending the movie -- I'm defending the importance of books. I'm saying the conversation shouldn't be exclusively about the movies, because that's incomplete. 2010 was a book first. It was not intended to be a movie; in fact, Clarke even jokingly asked Kubrick to make sure nobody would ever make it into a movie "so I wouldn't be bothered." It was only after the book's publication that Hyams sought out Clarke and Kubrick and persuaded them to let him adapt it to film. So 2010: Odyssey Two, the story that Clarke conceived and wrote, was purely a book, in a way that 2001 was not. If you're talking about the ideas and creativity behind 2010, then you are talking about the ideas and creativity behind that book. The only thing Hyams really added was the Cold War tension, and there was a lot that he left out.
 
To me 2010 was exactly what it needed to be. I loved Leonov standing off from the Discovery spinning like mad, covered in Io's sulfur.
 
To me 2010 was exactly what it needed to be. I loved Leonov standing off from the Discovery spinning like mad, covered in Io's sulfur.

I may feel the book is the true form of the story, but I do appreciate the movie for making such a good effort to depict the novel's ideas in a plausible way. Although they did goof in the portrayals of gravity in the Discovery interiors (because they didn't have the budget to rebuild the centrifuge set), they otherwise handled the science quite believably and accurately, and made it look pretty awesome too. IIRC, their research into how to execute the aerobraking sequence onscreen led them to discover some issues that Clarke hadn't considered in the book and come up with solutions that made the movie version of that sequence even more plausible than the book version.
 
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Hey they got Olmos to do it.
Supposed to be a CR exclusive, so I guess the game of Youtube whackamole against anime rips continues. Doubt that embed will stay live for long.
 
That was pretty cool and well done. EJO as Gaff was cool, even if it was only a handful of lines...

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Low-quality paper, more like what you'd find in a mass-market paperback. I'm also skeptical the spine will stay intact.
My copy just arrived in the mail and damn, you weren't kidding.

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Hey they got Olmos to do it.
The beginning reminds me of "The Second Renaissance" in The Animatrix, which is a good thing. And I love they got Olmos, even for just a few lines. :D

I like it that Trixie's fighting style was the same as Pris's.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Very nice touch.
 
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