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See, I actually have some hopes for the film version of Jordan, because it's divorced from the context of the comics; nothing prevents me from taking Jordan seriously in a universe where Emerald Twilight never happened and Geoff Johns didn't need to invent a yellow fear bug to explain why Jordan still makes him "stand a little bit taller." He's still that brave test pilot who found a dying alien.
You are not going to like the movie, the crew and cast have said that the Secret Origins story by Johns was the bible for the movie and that story dialed the Hal wankery up to 11.
 
Yes as I stated before and House of Ulster reinforced the film is heavily influenced by Geoff Johns's work and takes from "Secret Origins", in fact I think the first draft of the script was rewritten to reflect those plot points. In fact one of the producers wrote the forward in the "Blackest Night" hardcover from the set of the film so that in it's self should indicate that Johns work has at least been read.

I give Geoff credit for retconning and revamping the mythology and making it accessible for old and new readers (from this thread along I realize that some of you aren't fans with what he's done). As for Hal worship...I can't say that I'm an expert on Hal but wasn't he a popular GL before DC decided to turn him evil in the nineties? I remember the Bring Hal Back and Death to Ron Marz petitions and what not back in the mid nineties.
 
See, I actually have some hopes for the film version of Jordan, because it's divorced from the context of the comics; nothing prevents me from taking Jordan seriously in a universe where Emerald Twilight never happened and Geoff Johns didn't need to invent a yellow fear bug to explain why Jordan still makes him "stand a little bit taller." He's still that brave test pilot who found a dying alien.
You are not going to like the movie, the crew and cast have said that the Secret Origins story by Johns was the bible for the movie and that story dialed the Hal wankery up to 11.
Really? Like I said, I liked Secret Origins. In that, the Hallocentrism was balanced out by the text acknowledging his douchebaggery through his brothers and, especially, Sinestro. Not that it isn't occasionally off-puttingly worshipful (it's still got Johns stamp on it), but no more so than, say, Batman: Year One is worshipful of Bruce Wayne. Which is to say, plenty, but not to the point you've got to throw that mother against the wall.

Also, it's extractable from the comic that John Stewart kicked Hal's Chair Force ass between panels. :shifty:

Compare this to Rebirth. Which is so one-sidedly in love with Hal Jordan's epic epicness that Hal's use of a punch in the face to answer Batman's pertinent and reasonable questions is considered a positive act. It's strange, because Johns thinks that Batman is being a paranoid asshole--which is, indeed, usually true--but what's really going on is that he's portraying Batman as rational and prudent, and portraying everyone else--particularly Alan Scott--as an inept, credulous rube.

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As for Hal worship...I can't say that I'm an expert on Hal but wasn't he a popular GL before DC decided to turn him evil in the nineties? I remember the Bring Hal Back and Death to Ron Marz petitions and what not back in the mid nineties.

Oh, God--who else remembers Hal's Emerald Advancement Team? They were pretty much the dorkiest dorks who ever dorked. Sure, I hated it when they killed Ted Kord, too, but not to the extent that I wanted Jaime Reyes dead in the DCU and Keith Giffen dead in real life. Some of those HEAT chuckleheads were just insane, and I'd probably be more relieved were it revealed that a big yellow alien fear bug had been responsible for them, than for the fictional actions of Hal Jordan.

And, seriously, I still say Hal had as good, solid reasons for going on a killing spree as any character has ever had. Screw the Guardians of the Universe, they're an illegitimate government. I mean, has anyone in the DCU ever voted for their representatives on Oa?
 
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Well, the yellow impurity was apparently Parallax. This is profound retconning, but I don't begrudge Johns the effort, because, yeah, yellow was always a really stupid weakness.

I mean, I see why the Guardians wanted the Lanterns to have a weakness--so they could easily kill them if they went rogue, like the Manhunters. But from a security standpoint, the Guardians should have randomly shifted the wavelength of the weakness every week. Because, honestly, I don't see how the GLC lasted thousands of years when all a villain had to do was be yellow. I mean, imagine the Sinestro Corps emerging in 1969.

Yeah, I agree that's one plus to the retcon of Parallax and eventually having similar entities for all of the Lantern Corps. You kind of have to feel sorry for the GLC having a weaksauce weakness and the endless amount of ribbing that it created in the fan base. The quote at the top of the page sums it up so nicely. :lol:
 
For those not in the know, the yellow weakness doesn't apply anymore. It only effects rookies who have yet to overcome their fear.
 
Yes as I stated before and House of Ulster reinforced the film is heavily influenced by Geoff Johns's work and takes from "Secret Origins", in fact I think the first draft of the script was rewritten to reflect those plot points. In fact one of the producers wrote the forward in the "Blackest Night" hardcover from the set of the film so that in it's self should indicate that Johns work has at least been read.

Johns himself is one of the producers of the Green Lantern movie.
 
Hmm, my interest in the GL movie just doubled. :D I still have serious concerns about using Hector Hammond as the main villain though :wtf:
 
Read "Secret Origins" and you've basically watched "Green Lantern" with a few tweaks here and there. @Mike Farley yes I knew that Geoff was a producer on the movie that only reinforces my point.
 
^That's the kind of ridiculous excess I was talking about, that will likely be tamped down in the films, and be better for it.

Ha, the cover to Rage of the Red Lanterns is either one of the most awesome or the just plain goofiest cover ever executed in the mainstream. It's almost a throwback to the Silver Age in its ridiculousness, with a sheen of Brass Age gore. I will admit: there is no other medium that features the villain drowning the hero in blood that he, the villain, is himself vomiting, on the cover of one of its most successful series. Only in comix, folks.

Actually, I was cool with Atrocitus puking blood. That could be his thing, or even the Empire of Tears' thing. But everybody? That's just silly--not to mention something Johns evidently didn't think through beyond the rather facile Red Lantern = zomg BLOOD Lantern!

I mean, what if an Oan had become a Red Lantern? They don't bleed red, but instead some piss-yellow presumable cobalt porphyrin concoction. Good thing that never came up, because it would highlight the inherent weakness of the concept.

Green Lantern is a collection of overlapping chauvinisms: to Hallocentrism, androcentrism, Americentrism, and geocentrism, add... ferrocentrism?
 
There's sort of an Oan like alien in the Red Lantern Corps, though I don't think it's an actual Guardian. Given that it's stated the red ring essentially replaces the wearer's heart and poisons their blood, I don't mind it conveniently making any blood red by default.
 
Uh - Please say you're kidding. Secret Origins was booooooring!!

I don't think they will keep Atrocitus or the reasons behind why he was travelling by plane.

spoiler on Secret Origins....


So I guess they will keep the story the Hal and Carol as kids and Abin Sur's ship exploding to cause Hector to gain his humongous head and powers and then it'll be about Sinestro coming in and Hal and Sinestro working together to get Abin's killer - probably some generic evil villain or something.

Hmm - I'm a little underwhelmed...

I hope they treat it right...
 
I finally decided to buy the BL collections, as well as the tie-in material like Agent Orange and Rage. Now all I need is to find time someday to read it all. :p :lol:
 
On a tremendously positive note:

The Adventure Comics Alexander Luthor/Superboy Prime Blackest Night tie-in story rocks out with its cock out. It's great. If you read only two Blackest Night related comics, these are the ones. (And, actually, stopping there might not be the worst idea.)

"Dude! Sweet Black Lantern costume aaghhh" is the funniest comic moment I've seen outside of Booster Gold in a while.

On the minus side, why can't writers remember that Alex Luthor is not Lex Luthor's doppelganger? He's Lex Luthor's Earth-3 doppelganger's son with Lois Lane. He's as much "Lex Luthor" as Connor Kent is. Sure, I find reading Crisis on Infinite Earths as unappealing as the next guy, but it's not too hard to just flip to the dude's origin.

There really seems to be some confusion on that issue, going all the way back to Infinite Crisis, where Alex confronts Lex and cancels out his identical brainwaves. Forgetting for the moment that the science there is retarded--as Geoff Johns is apparently unfamiliar with the concept of identical twins, whose theta waves do not interfere with each other--but they're not even identical twins.

That said, it's in service of a pretty cool scene.
 
Then again, I thought Alex Luthor was the actual hero of Infinite Crisis, or at least not overtly villainous till the last few pages, where the textually-avowed heroes broke his universal mixmaster and pissed him off.

Oddly enough, I always thought Hal Jordan was right in Zero Hour (as Parallax), and the heroes were wrong. IIRC, he was attempting to create a multiverse in which everyone would be happy, and no one would die (as he put it, "Everybody wins!"). The heroes, after decrying his presumption that he had the right to create such a multiverse, willfully eliminated all timelines but their own from existence. The morality of the story never made sense to me.
 
Forgetting for the moment that the science there is retarded--as Geoff Johns is apparently unfamiliar with the concept of identical twins, whose theta waves do not interfere with each other--but they're not even identical twins.
It's not the fact they are twins, but the fact that they are analogues of each other that creates the distortion. Much like Power Girl and the new Supergirl's powers going crazy when they met or when the old Superman and the current one fighting each other in Infinite Crisis.
 
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