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Black Widow solo film...but Avengers comes first

I'm surprised people couldn't come up with more examples of good action movies with female leads. I thought I was just blanking and people would have a bunch of examples I'd forgotten. The only one I've seen mentioned is "Kill Bill" and it's a bit of a stretch to call either volume an action movie. A friend of mine was actually pissed after watching Vol. 2 because he found it 'boring' since Vol. 1 had lead him to go into it expecting something more action-packed than that very dialog-heavy film. Personally, I like Vol. 2 more (I loved Bill's dialog), but Tarantino's movies are hard to categorize by single genre. They're usually a mash-up of several genres, and "Kill Bill" is no exception. I did like the first "Charlie's Angels", actually. It's pretty silly, but it's fun. The sequel was wretched.
 
Sorry, I don't think Scarlett has what it takes to carry a movie, at least not a superhero movie. Hillary Swank as Black Widow, maybe...

Someone should give Natalie Portman a shot with a superhero role. Or is she too short? ;) Hey, if they'd ever do that dagnabit Doctor Strange movie, she wouldn't be a bad choice for Clea.
 
I'm surprised people couldn't come up with more examples of good action movies with female leads. I thought I was just blanking and people would have a bunch of examples I'd forgotten.
Nay, the list is indeed very small.

The only one I've seen mentioned is "Kill Bill" and it's a bit of a stretch to call either volume an action movie.
A fair point, especially regarding Vol. 2, and one which only further shortens the aforementioned list. ;)
 
But KILL BILL, UNDERWORLD, RESIDENT EVIL, and the first CHARLIE'S ANGELS were all popular.
Surely you're not arguing that popularity and quality are strictly proportional... and I'm not calling you Shirley! :p


Then again, I'm the guy who bought all the book rights to CUTTHROAT ISLAND . . .
If you'd be cool with sharing the number and year of purchase, I'd be fascinated to know it. :)

I'm not comfortable discussing the number, but, as with most novelizations, it would have been several months before the movie came out, so that we could publish the book in time for the movie.

It seemed like a good idea at the time! :)


And if we're talking about whether a BLACK WIDOW movie would succeed, then the hits I cited are relevant. We can debate the artistic merits of each film endlessly (and obviously I'm biased where UNDERWORLD is concerned), but they're all examples of female heroes who succeeded at the box office.
 
However, the only actresses who seem to be able to carry action movies are Angelina Jolie and Milla Jovovich.

Are you talking in terms of box office success, or quality? Because I thought "Resident Evil" and "Tomb Raider" were two of the worst movies I've ever seen. Writing, acting, directing, all of it was just pathetically juvenile. Obviously the first was a huge success financially with all the sequels, but in terms of quality I'm sure they're not the finest examples of the potential excellence of an action movie with a female lead.

I meant box office success. I'm in total agreement with your assessment of the movies, but they made money and that's the bottom line in Hollywood.

Personally, I'd much rather see the likes of Uma Thurman, Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johanssen or Cameron Diaz kicking ass.
 
Sounds good to me. The Widow character never terribly interested me, but I like Johannsen and the Marvel Verse, so bring it on.

Also, looking at female action leads; aside from the aforementioned Sarah Connor and Beatrix Kiddo, you've also got Ellen Ripley. And whatever you can say about Underworld or Tomb Raider, Beckinsdale and Jolie as action leads weren't a problem.

ScarJo's married to Ryan Reynolds, hence Mrs. Green Lantern.

Why not Mrs. Hannibal King or Mrs. Deadpool? :devil:

- But, most importantly, notice that both Connor and Kiddo are mothers estranged from their only children; this provides an emotional heft comparable to that of romance. So if you're going to cite them as a reason Black Widow doesn't need to carpet-munch, you might as well argue for her to be looking after an estranged child while you're at it. And do any of us really want to see that? :cool:

Err, the Bride doesn't even know that her daughter has survived until the very end of the film, so that doesn't work at all. The "emotional heft" is the drive for revenge.

And that's still an false binary you've set up for us, that she must either be a momma bear or a lesbian (for your titillation).

Someone should give Natalie Portman a shot with a superhero role. Or is she too short? ;) Hey, if they'd ever do that dagnabit Doctor Strange movie, she wouldn't be a bad choice for Clea.

Well, she's in Thor as the romantic lead, for what that's worth. Doubt she'll get powers though, but hopefully it's not just a one-movie thing.
 
Romantic lead in Thor? Ha, I wonder if she's going to get her head shaved again.

...The female lead is Sif, right?

Oh. Oh. Well, to echo what I said about a certain Green Lantern villain: who cares about Jane Foster?
 
Ugh.... This would be a disaster. Scarlett Johansson pouting herself through 90 minutes? Spare me. She has the acting range of ... something small.

You have to look hard to find a female actress that is less convincing in action sequences. And, yes, I saw IM2. And it shows how creative editing can hide almost anything.
 
Romantic lead in Thor? Ha, I wonder if she's going to get her head shaved again.

...The female lead is Sif, right?

Oh. Oh. Well, to echo what I said about a certain Green Lantern villain: who cares about Jane Foster?

From what I can see, Sif's in there too... ooh, a love triangle for the sequel? ;)

As to who cares about Jane Foster? Well... anyone that watches a film just because Natalie Portman's in it?

..

Which would not include me, of course... :shifty:
 
Err, the Bride doesn't even know that her daughter has survived until the very end of the film, so that doesn't work at all. The "emotional heft" is the drive for revenge.
I didn't think her character was at all interesting until we learned that her daughter was still alive - and that revelation threw the entire rest of both volumes into a different perspective. Long before Kiddo learns she's (still) a mom, we're waiting to see how she'll react to that very revelation. It can be suspenseful and interesting to know things protagonists don't. Why else do you think Hitchcock told the audience the truth about Madeleine halfway through Vertigo, even though Scottie doesn't learn it until the end? So yes, my observation "works at all." Kiddo is mainly interesting because she's a killer who happens to be a mother also. ;)


Does The Fifth Element count as an actioner with a female protagonist?
Not really, since it was sold as a Bruce Willis film.
Quite. Like Sarah Connor in T2, Leeloo was an action co-lead at most, and her action chops were balanced by her total unfamiliarity with the world around her - hardly a template for a Black Widow movie.



And that's still an false binary you've set up for us, that she must either be a momma bear or a lesbian (for your titillation).
Right, because there's no way an entire Black Widow movie would be at all exploitative of ScarJo's hotness. How low and crude of me to reduce such a profound cinematic endeavor to a money-making male fan service popcorn titillator. :rolleyes: :p ;)

As for the binary choice, I'll admit third options when I see any good ones.


Also, looking at female action leads; aside from the aforementioned Sarah Connor and Beatrix Kiddo, you've also got Ellen Ripley.
Two mothers and Ripley (who I understand looks after a little girl in the second movie - sounding familiar?). Right, well, I still haven't seen any of the Aliens; I've been hoping to catch them on a big screen for the first viewing, and thus do them justice, but since since I've never seen them come to any rep houses, it might be finally time to bite that bullet. But if I'm not mistaken, Ripley is hardly intended to be the super-powered ass-kicker Black Widow is anyhow, no?

And whatever you can say about Underworld or Tomb Raider, Beckinsdale and Jolie as action leads weren't a problem.
Never said they were. Your point?

As for the rather petite Portman, they'd have to make her a Kryptonian to give her any action-star credibility whatsoever! :p
 
...The female lead is Sif, right?
Portman's Jane Foster is clearly the lead. That kiss she planted on him in the comic con footage should lead you to that conclusion.

My guess is that Sif will be utilized as, at best, a weak third leg in a romantic triangle. She yearns for Thor but he doesn't reciprocate.
 
...The female lead is Sif, right?
Portman's Jane Foster is clearly the lead. That kiss she planted on him in the comic con footage should lead you to that conclusion.

My guess is that Sif will be utilized as, at best, a weak third leg in a romantic triangle. She yearns for Thor but he doesn't reciprocate.


In the trailer, Sif is mostly seen hanging out with the Warriors Three. Probably just to give the Asgardians a little more girl power.
 
As for the rather petite Portman, they'd have to make her a Kryptonian to give her any action-star credibility whatsoever! :p

Except in the Buffy-verse.;) In fact, Melaka Fray, the 23rd century Slayer written by Joss Whedon for Dark Horse comics was based on Natalie Portman.
 
^Same principle. Buffy had superpowers, right? That's how it wasn't wholly ridiculous that a medical training skeleton was able to beat up vampires?

(Just kidding. SMG is pretty hot.)

...The female lead is Sif, right?
Portman's Jane Foster is clearly the lead. That kiss she planted on him in the comic con footage should lead you to that conclusion.

My guess is that Sif will be utilized as, at best, a weak third leg in a romantic triangle. She yearns for Thor but he doesn't reciprocate.


In the trailer, Sif is mostly seen hanging out with the Warriors Three. Probably just to give the Asgardians a little more girl power.
Huh, I didn't know there was a trailer. In any event, that's pretty bogus. :(
 
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