Biggest problem with "Voyager" is that they didn't really take any chances.

[fireproof78]

You said it not me..

That was...nebulous.
How about this-how about you tell me what to write so I don't offend? I like that plan. I don't have to think.

 

[Refuge]

You couldn't keep up with me, lol. I just think things have become repetitive. Like spam. The stuff regurgitated was said by the same people several times.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

That was...nebulous.
How about this-how about you tell me what to write so I don't offend? I like that plan. I don't have to think.

Isn't it obvious? You're supposed to write about how all the things you didn't like about the show are just trite nitpicky observations and that you are actually very smug and judgemental for making those observations in the first place...

Didn't we just do this episode?

This thread is getting more like Voyager all the time.

 

[fireproof78]

Isn't it obvious? You're supposed to write about how all the things you didn't like about the show are just trite nitpicky observations and that you are actually very smug and judgemental for making those observations in the first place...

Didn't we just do this episode?

This thread is getting more like Voyager all the time.

I'm the master of trite and nitpicky

You couldn't keep up with me, lol. I just think things have become repetitive. Like spam. The stuff regurgitated was said by the same people several times.

Try me.

 

[Refuge]

Isn't it obvious? You're supposed to write about how all the things you didn't like about the show are just trite nitpicky observations and that you are actually very smug and judgemental for making those observations in the first place...

Didn't we just do this episode?

This thread is getting more like Voyager all the time.

You don't have to write that it is self-evident. As for this episode every page has been like this

 

[Prax]

Isn't it obvious? You're supposed to write about how all the things you didn't like about the show are just trite nitpicky observations and that you are actually very smug and judgemental for making those observations in the first place...

Didn't we just do this episode?

This thread is getting more like Voyager all the time.

You're....alive?

 

[Refuge]

Try me.

Okay you asked for it so please don't get precious and throw me to the moderator if you don't like my attempt. Here is what you can write so you don't offend, well not offend just for the sake of offending.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.. oh I don't know once, twice or maybe three times in the same thread. No that does not mean three times on each page, lol. When the fires have died down think about the integrity of the next critique you are going to pluck up out of the air versus the affect of being simply contrary and getting a reaction. Then look deep and ask yourself is any of this going to change my experience or my evaluation of Voyager? The answer will be no. There I've given you the answer.

You're welcome.

 

[Anwar]

Or if your creative team isn't cranking out paint-by-the-numbers formula-based screenplays that apply a veneer of sophistication for sophistication's sake.

You do not, for example, need an "empty universe" to remember that your ship has a finite number of photon torpedoes. Unfortunately, "We've run out of photon torpedoes and need to find a way to replace them" doesn't fit the Star Trek formula, so they didn't bother.

"We've run out of raw material for the replicators and need to find a new source..." Nope.

"We have a giant hole in the side of the ship and we don't have enough METAL to patch it..." Nah.

"The Hirogen gutted half the ship and turned it into a giant holodeck and now we have to hot bunk because our ship is basically hollow now..." Meh. We'll put it back together by next episode. Don't ask us where we're going to get the new bulkheads, new conduits, bio-neural gelpacks or light fixtures... we've got replicators, or something.

Let's do a story about time traveling telepathic body snatchers instead.

What, we're expected to believe they can't fix the ship and need external aid for every little thing?

 

[Refuge]

You're asking the wrong poster. Apparently he/she only saw three episodes.

 

[fireproof78]

Okay you asked for it so please don't get precious and throw me to the moderator if you don't like my attempt. Here is what you can write so you don't offend, well not offend just for the sake of offending.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.. oh I don't know once, twice or maybe three times in the same thread. No that does not mean three times on each page, lol. When the fires have died down think about the integrity of the next critique you are going to pluck up out of the air versus the affect of being simply contrary and getting a reaction. Then look deep and ask yourself is any of this going to change my experience or my evaluation of Voyager? The answer will be no. There I've given you the answer.

You're welcome.

Thank you

 

[Refuge]

It was either that or a very glowing, if not gushing list of praise about Voyager. If you ever want me to write that up for you I can do that too.. joking.. just joking..

 

[fireproof78]

I figured I'd just wait a few posts

 

[Crazy Eddie]

What, we're expected to believe they can't fix the ship and need external aid for every little thing?

I am not too keen on the idea of self-building starships, no. When the Enterprise-D got thrashed by the Borg, they had to put into space dock for a few weeks just to make all those repairs.

Voyager, on the other hand, had four entire decks TORN OUT and the entire ship converted into an enormous holodeck by the Hirogen...

Yeah, that's not exactly "lightbulb" work right there.

 

[Refuge]

Holo projectors are little.. everyone knows that.

Shame about the deck reconstruction episode though, that would have been thrilling TV.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Holo projectors are little.. everyone knows that.

Shame about the deck reconstruction episode though, that would have been thrilling TV.

Well, an episode where a crippled and nearly-defenseless Voyager had to find a way to restore itself after being eviscerated by the Hirogen and getting nothing but trouble in the process would have at least MADE SENSE. More than that, if done right, it would have been a pretty awesome story.

It's entirely possible that the "We have to stop and make repairs but the repair crew tried to eat us" plotline can only be done so many times, but there are lots of variations on that theme:
- We can't afford repairs, so we have to do something dangerous, unsavory or very illegal to pay for them
- We CAN afford repairs, but the Chief Engineer has the hots for Torres and will only do it if she goes on a date with him and doesn't completely piss him off
- We stop for repairs, but the shipyard is in the middle of a war zone and both sides keep trying to recruit us to fight for them
- We just docked for repairs and now we have to decide what to do with these 500 refugees who are begging us to drop them off at the next inhabited planet.
- We just docked for repairs, somebody bought a cute furry thing that turned out to be the larval stage of an incredibly nasty carnivore
- We docked for repairs and the entire crew got wasted and nobody remembers what happened last night

 

[Refuge]

They sound like regular episodes without the word repairs in them..

 

[Crazy Eddie]

They sound like regular episodes without the word repairs in them..

Exactly.

There's only one plot line I DON'T want to see:

Ship docks for repairs, but the station's power source uses a phased-modulated quantum inverter that somehow reacted with our bio-neural gel packs to produce a resonance field, and now the entire crew is regressing back to their childhoods.

See if you can spot the difference there.

 

[Refuge]

All I can see is the mind numbing word 'docking'. Voyager goes in for a service and gets stuck on some dreary planet or station.

 

[MacLeod]

We're going around in circles. Each of us is brining our own perspectives to the debate. So here is a question.

Imagine yourself onboard Voyager in that situation how would you react, faced with a seventy or so year journey with a very real possibility that you would never see friends or loved ones again?

 

[Anwar]

We're going around in circles. Each of us is brining our own perspectives to the debate. So here is a question.

Imagine yourself onboard Voyager in that situation how would you react, faced with a seventy or so year journey with a very real possibility that you would never see friends or loved ones again?

They'd think "Wait, this happened to James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard too and they got out of it fine...I have to hold out hope that the same will be for us."