Biggest insulting slap-in-the-face episode for fans?

[FPAlpha]

Ghel said:
I can't remember the episode title, but the DS9 episode where Sisco and Jake build a solar sailing ship, hit a subspace eddy (or somesuch), and prove the Cardassians completely wrong. How do the Cardassians respond? They celebrate with space fireworks!!!

Space fireworks?!? These are the Cardassians. The only adequate response should have been to destroy the little spacecraft and deny that Sisco ever made it to Cardassia. Celebrating the pie-in-their-face completely ruined the episode for me.

One simple explanation.. politics.

The Cardassians couldn't assassinate a Starfleet commander and his son to keep an unconvenient truth under wraps. Starfleet would have investigated their disappearance, most likely come to the conclusion that they were killed by Cardassian weapons fire and you'd have a huge diplomatic incident.

So all they could do is smile through gritted teeth and play along.

That's politics.. even in our reality politicians do the same.

 

[Caprica_Six]

PKTrekGirl said:

Anwar said:
To be fair, the guy in charge of VOY at the point of Endgame was Ken Biller, who openly admitted he had no idea how to end the show and pulled "Endgame" out of his rump, and since he had a bad argument with B&B he did the Chakotay/Seven thing to piss them off since Braga had wanted to kill her off in the finale.

Humm....not what I heard.

I heard the Chakotay/Seven thing came about as a direct order from Braga - sorta on a bet with Jeri Ryan, IIRC. I don't remember the exact details, but I thought it was a "Oh, you wouldn't do THAT!" sort of thing...after which he did *exactly* 'that'.

But really, it's moot anyway. The point is that it was a slap in the face to the fans - the whole episode was. It really doesn't matter how much or little Biller, Berman, or Braga individually contributed. The *result* was an unqualified disaster during which they turned Janeway into a cynical old maid who would break the TPD and thus possibly change the lives of hundreds of millions of individuals...all in order to make a couple of her friends 'happy'. And to add insult to injury, make them 'happy' by putting them into a relationship that came out the the blue and was contrary to every lead the writers had been giving us for years.

If that is not a slap in the face to the fans, I don't know what is.

Pretty much summed it up for me there.

 

[Kegek]

The God Thing said:
Tormé and Hurley were both co-executive producers on ST:TNG with Gene Roddenberry while the latter was still (technically) alive and (even more technically) in creative control. However, Berman's sole culpability for DS9, VOY, ENT and the TNG films is beyond question.

True, but Berman wasn't an executive producer in early TNG, which is why I mentioned them... otherwise you could be implied to tacitly endorse that era. Roddenberry was in creative control of the show up until around "Datalore", at which point he largely lost interest and remained in an advisory role.

One glance at J.J. Abrams' IMDB entry - to say nothing of his selection of "writers" for the project - was more than enough to convince me that this film is going to be a conceptual, narrative and aesthetic nightmare of the first order.

I have no opinion of Abrams, but have nothing but distaste at Orci & Kurtzmann's appalling track record of bad TV shows and Michael Bay flicks. I'm hardly optimistic, but I refuse to hate something until I've seen it.

 

[Angel4576]

^^ Manny Coto did a fairly decent job with what he inherited from the gruesome twosome. If the rest of Enterprise had been of a similar standard to the final year then it may have had a chance. The characters were still poorly written though, even towards the end, it was just the stories that were emminently better, IMO.

 

[Anwar]

Yep, the UPN management changeover may have killed the show ultimately, but at least it gave Coto enough freedom to sneak in some gems before it was snuffed out since the new management weren't so interested in butting in on Coto like the old management were with B&B.

 

[JD]

Wow, I guess I'm weird because I actually like Endgame. I do admit that the whole Seven/Chakotay was a total WTF moment, but other than that I thought it was good episode. As for the ending, I don't think it is that horrible of a thing, yeah maybe they could have tossed in some stuff with them adjusting to Federation life, but IMO the show was about the journey and that was the end of the journey. We don't need to see every single moment of them coming home to know that they were back. Besides if you are that upset about not seeing them come home then you can read Homecoming, the first post finale Voyager book.

 

[Angel4576]

^^ You can rightly argue the fact that the journey's been the thing for seven years, but on the other hand, an equally valid point is that the return to the AQ is the central plot driver for the entire show, it's what they've working together, striving for, for the past seven years.

What you got with Endgame was the absolute bare minimum of what they could get away with without causing a riot. They're were lucky that so many people had tuned out by the time Endgame aired that not many people gave a toss either way.

 

[Newt]

Shades of Gray TNG. Awful episode, I can't stand clipshows.

 

[JD]

Oh yeah I forgot to say that TATV was the biggest slap in the face episode. Shades of Grey was annoying too.

 

[captcalhoun]

some of the episodes cited - Spock's Brain, Way to Eden, Threshold for example - are insulting to your intelligence.

TATV is the true slap in the face for ruining the characters of both ENT and TNG, shoe-horning in a stupid uncharacteristic plot into a place it didn't fit and relegating the stars to second place in their own god-damned show finale!

 

[Amaris]

^ Exactly.

Although in regards to Seven/Chakotay, I like that relationship.


J.

 

[Twain]

As it's just a TV show I don't expect any reward for my, er, "loyalty". I would, however, like to see an episode in which some fans are literally slapped in face. Preferably with a baseball bat.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I don't take any of it personally. I just think tv shouldn't suck if it doesn't have to.

 

[ktanner3]

The Enterprise finale wins this one hands down. Even my father,a die hard trekkie from the 60s who even stayed thru all of voyager and Enterprise, agreed that finale was an insult to the fans.He refused to even watch it when it first came out and only accidentally saw it in a rerun. The concept itself was just so absurd that it was laughable.

 

[Maurice]

I'm somewhat forgiving of "Shades of Gray" because it was clearly a desperate attempt to fill in an empty slot in an already abbreviated season caused by the Writer's Guild strike.

 

[sbk1234]

I admit, I skipped ahead, so I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet. If not, I'm surprised nobody mentioned my all time worst Star Trek offering: Manhunt. A great title, but what's it about? Mrs. Troi is horny. 'Nuff said!

 

[Vonstadt]

*Shudders* My eyes! How could type that!!!

 

[cynical dreamer]

"Fury" and Star Trek V.

Oh and "Code of Honour" as the worst of the worst.... the worst hour of tv I ever saw... and thankfully will never see again.

 

[NathanielM]

Lateralus said:
Nemesis.

A horrible way for the TNG crew to go out.

Damn straight, as I said in another post, I hope the new movie bombs big time, and it serves Paramount right for their abomination and trying to milk the franchise and robe the fans.

Nemesis was decent, but i agree a horrible way to go out fror the next gen crew. They were the only ones holding it together that could remotely match for the most movies. If I had a secondary choice.

Deep space nine cast. (if a remote miracle could pull off a trek movie they could.)


Definate no-nos. Voyager cast and Babylon 5. (bullshit treks) They don't deserve the big screen or sindication.

Paramount should be ashamed of themselves for the latest trek movie.

As for episodes. All good things. I was not sure that was a very good episode for NG cast to leave on, left too many holes until the movies.

Star Trek V was just awful. What the hell were you thinking shatner?????

And MAybe the Star Trek Motion Picture, just because its so damn boring.

 

[xortex]

The idea for nemesis was so bad any writer would have been kicked out of the Star Trek offices for even suggesting that. I thought they were joking when the rumors came out. Braga - Brutus obvously kept his mouth shut and Berman - Barrabas do what he wanted finally. The conversation must have went like this - Berman - I have an idea, Braga - That's brilliant. Berman - But you haven't even heard it yet. Braga - It's still brilliant, Berman - I know, but.. and vice versa.