Beyond the 5th anniversary

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Khan 2.0, Jul 22, 2021.

  1. Khan 2.0

    Khan 2.0 Commodore Commodore

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    She was part of the Orci ST3 but when that version was scrapped I guess any direct connections to ID were intentionally limited (maybe due to the fan backlash it being voted 'worst Trek movie' etc..i guess that was part of the reason the Orci version didn't happen)
     
  2. SithHappens

    SithHappens Commander Red Shirt

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    Beyond is so much fun, much better imo than the other two although the opening scenes of 09 were superb.
     
  3. Mage

    Mage Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Personally I enjoy Beyond a lot, it has more heart and character moments than STiD ever did. The plot..... Let's not really go there. I feel the plot here was more there to create character moments than to really tell a story. But that's just my two cents. The action was glorious, the SFX amazing. Yorktown, the destruction of the Enterprise, the final battle sequence at Yorktown. Hell, I even loved Sabotage!! :D
     
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    tomalak301 Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    I just loved how people complained about Sabotage during the first teaser of the movie and it ended up actually playing a nice role in the climax of the movie, not to mention it was a call back to the first Kelvin film.
     
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  5. fireproof78

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    It worked very well as part of Kirk's arc, plus Spock and McCoy's comments on classic music.
     
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    BEY is an interesting movie by my measure. I re-watched it last night for the first time in a while, and it still has a really odd effect on me.

    I like many of the scenes, and I think the characters and dialogue are at their very best in terms of the Kelvinverse films. There seems to be a real warmth and chemistry between the characters that was only being built during the previous films...and that chemistry is what I love about TOS.

    But, that being said, the overall product is just a little "flat" for me, and I can't really explain why. Again, it's as though I love a number of the individual pieces, but I don't really get engaged in the overall movie as much.

    THINGS I LIKE:
    1. Kirk- he's much more introspective and settled/mature in this film, and while I liked brazen / cocky Kirk in the other films (a different character because he grew up without George as his father to guide him), I really like this more mature version of the character. He still has his moments (I'm not going to miss....it's the square one, right?!?), he is generally more responsible in BEY and Pine gives a great performance.
    2. Character Interplay- McCoy and Spock are great in BEY, and that was a piece that was woefully missing from previous films. Sulu gets a little more to do. There's some magic between Chekov and Kirk when they are together on Altimed. Scotty and Jayla are obviously awesome together.
    3. Tribute to Nimoy- Those little moments are excellent...no doubt
    4. Planet Side Setting- I like that they visited an alien world in this film. That was desperately needed.
    5. The Soundrack- Like with all the Kelvinverse films, the BEY soundtrack is a thing of beauty.
    6. Yorktown Base- Cool concept, unique design, felt like a place worth fighting for without having to endanger Earth for the 239th time.

    THINGS I WASN'T A HUGE FAN OF:
    1. Destroying the Enterprise- I'm not sure how you tell this particular story without it...but I felt like putting the Enterprise through the ringer yet again was a step too far. Dang come up with something else (easier said than done)...but having the ship all bashed up and crashing a starship yet again was pretty tired
    2. Krall- I love Elba, but this was kind of a crappy, ill-defined villain, even for a Star Trek movie. I'm not really sure why this guy was pissed, who he was really pissed at, why he and two other Franklin survivors invented their own language...or just what the hell was going on. I also think the story would have been more powerful if, in the very end, Kirk managed to convince Edison to "turn back" and Edison ends up sacrificing himself to save the base, rather than just remaining "evil"
    3. Franklin as the Hero Ship- This kind of goes back to item 1, but instead of letting the Enterprise shine, she gets ripped to pieces in the second act, and the Franklin ends up being the ship that saves the day. Interesting I guess...but I'd rather have seen the Enterprise in action here.
    4. Weird Plotholes- I'm sure this has been discussed a million times, but I never really understood how Krall and company just sort of forgot about the Franklin. That seemed like a pretty big oversight. I also don't really get how this planet filled with swarm ships and automated dickheads equated to Edison being "trapped" on Altimed. If he could just get in those ships and leave at any time, why was he all bullshit about being abandoned? Who were these other random people on the planet? Just passers-by who Krall and company grabbed to suck their lifeforce out so they could remain strong? I don't know man, it seemed really underbaked to me.

    Overall, it's a fun viewing experience. It looks fantastic, sounds fantastic, and the characters are at their best. But, it just feels less engaging to me for some reason that causes me to not view it as a "top tier" film in the franchise (or even in the Kelvin Series). I honestly think they needed to do a lot more work on Krall / Edison...his motivations and his entire post-crash backstory. That was a very interesting part of the film, and they missed the boat on it I think.
     
  7. Khan 2.0

    Khan 2.0 Commodore Commodore

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    i think the plot holes are best explained away as 'pegg and Jung didnt have time to properly figure it out'
     
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    This was one of the many strikes I had with the movie because the writers were digging in the TOS movie well again for some motivation and used Admiral Kirk's temperament in Star Trek II as the focal point. I understand when I was kid why Kirk felt that way, he was going through a mid-life crisis and was questioning his life where he felt he was forced to leave something he had a passion for and it showed in the beginning. It was a death sentence for him and I felt it, but Pine is Kirk in his prime and he should be f^cking happy and thrilled he's Captain of the Enterprise and going out to far off places to infinity and beyond. Pine's temperament took most of the life out of that movie because I never felt it was necessary for that kind of behavior. For me, I couldn't connect with him and in continuation the Enterprise is destroyed because the writing dictated it.

    I could've connected with a confident Kirk in the beginning and THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN the Enterprise gets destroyed. Whoa! That's a sudden change of events which could've caught my attention, but not enough to be engaged in that snorer. I don't mind cherry picking ideas if the writers has something fresh to explore but the Kirk conflict is all surface stuff which we know had been done better 30 years ago.
     
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    Honestly, this is one of the best parts of Beyond. Kirk's arc throughout the Kelvin films is one the best in Star Trek films, bar none, for me. I love watching his growth from this impetuous young man to someone who is far more reflective, and struggling with living in the shadow of his dad, the hero. He is questioning his choices because he enrolled in Starfleet because he saw it as something of a challenge, not as something that he believes in. I love the growth!
     
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