Better Call Saul, the TV series

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  1. Timby

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    She got her deal (as Francesca told Jimmy) and we know she had moved out of the abandoned White house by the time of the events of Felina. Wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for the FBI to relocate her and the kids out of the Southwest just in case someone came looking (since the Feds never really knew the full extent of Walt's empire and how many different parties he had gotten involved with, like the neo-Nazis; who's to say Lydia was the only person at Madrigal with their fingers in the meth ops?).
     
  2. Starkers

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    That's an interesting flashback because it's the one indication we have that Kim was someone involved in scams before she ever met Jimmy. Obviously it doesn't look like she was enjoying it (from what I recall) but does maybe indicate partly why she was attracted to Jimmy's lifestyle.
     
  3. The Scrooge Doctor

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    First time through, I didn't get much from either flashback but this time around, having seen both of them in close succession, I understand what was being shown now. First one was all about how Kim didn't trust her mom (rightfully so because she was drunk driving) but the second time around, Kim has been pulled into her mom's scheming and may have enjoyed it (the hand holding in particular is curious). Either way, as you said, it demonstrated she had already gotten a taste for conning long before she ever knew Jimmy.

    That said, it's important to note she said in her interview with Schweikart and Cokely that she moved way from her tiny town because she saw the direction her life was going (undoubtedly due to her mom's influences) and she wanted something different. It's possible she was doing more conning with (or without) her mom and wanted to get away from it. But the taste for it was already there and then it was reawakened by the Zafiro Añejo con.
     
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  4. The Scrooge Doctor

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    I've been going through thread at my previous thoughts about the show and I just read this part...

    :eek: :wah: :eek: :wah: :eek:
     
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  5. Dark Gilligan

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    Likely she did. We don't know the extent of the deal she was given, but witness protection is a definite possibility. If that's the case, how does Gray Matter's "scholarship" find its way to Walt Jr.? He wouldn't have received it until his eighteenth birthday. And how long would it take Skylar to figure out that this unexpected windfall actually came from Walt? I'm guessing maybe three seconds.
     
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  6. Finngle Bells

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    Would be so ironic if they ended up in Alaska….:shifty:
     
  7. Timby

    Timby I Am That Fool Administrator

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    The show ended almost a decade ago and people still refer to Skyler as "Skylar." :lol:
     
  8. Set Harth

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    "YOU AGAIN!"
     
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    It's also been almost 40 years since Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn and 23 since we met Anikin in the Star Wars Prequels :lol:
     
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  10. Finngle Bells

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    Don’t forget my favorite… Cisco from DS9
     
  11. The Scrooge Doctor

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    I just watched the Jimmy and Kim's break-up and it contextualized something that I had been deliberately paying close attention to during my marathon: The level of romance in their relationship.

    With the exception of their wedding night, we never saw them have sex or saw the suggestion that they had sex except in the wake of a con or planning a con. We rarely saw them kiss until after they got married (the big exception was after Jimmy passed the bar and I don't think their relationship was at that level yet). They never referred to themselves as boyfriend or girlfriend and only ever as husband or wife in official situations (and during the Lalo scares).

    But the kicker came at the break-up: Jimmy told Kim he loved her and she responded in kind. It was a genuine moment...and it was the first time we ever heard either of them say it. The moment didn't last because Kim immediately launched into her point about them being a bad influence on other people and they must break-up for other people's sake. That was an even bigger gut punch this time around because I was paying direct attention to this particular aspect of their relationship during this marathon.

    Or my favorite: Christopher Ecclestone as The Ninth Doctor. Or even better: Peter Davidson as The Fifth Doctor.

    My mental autocorrect tried to stop me from misspelling those! :lol:
     
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  12. Starkers

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    I'm really glad to see you write that @The Nth Doctor as all through the series I have wondered at the level of relationship between Kim and Jimmy, it's certainly not a conventional romance, or perhaps it is in that it feels very real and very understated and I guess a lot of marriages are based on less but I have wondered many times whether they loved each other, or more to the point whether Kim loved, or was even physically attracted to, Jimmy, they genuinely did feel like friends who kind of fell into something more than friendship.
     
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    That's exactly how their relationship felt. They were friends for a long time in the mailroom (the celebratory kiss for passing the bar aside) and they fell into something more when Kim (re)discovered the taste for the art of the con. And remember, the main reason why they even got married was for spousal privilege to protect each other from Saul's shadier aspects of his practice.
     
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    It was pretty clear they were having sex, not frequently but a decent amount. It wasn't on screen because it wasn't the focus of the storytelling. But scenes like the one where Jimmy brushed his teeth with her finger made it clear what they had done the previous night.

    If anything, the sex felt like it was an extension of Kim's excitement to be running scams.

    With Marie's shoplifting, I wonder if there's an alternate universe where Jimmy recruited Marie the way he recruited Jeffy.
     
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    Even if Skyler didn't move away or get moved by witness protection I would bet good money that she and her sister are not on speaking terms. Walter got Marie's husband killed and Skyler knew Walter White was doing crime for a good amount of time and went along with it. They might be sisters but something like that is hard to forgive.
     
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    ^They were on speaking terms after Walter used the Vacuum guy. That's after Walt took the credit for Hank's murder. Why would Marie stop speaking to her sister after that scene Walt showed up in the apartment...
     
  17. The Mariah Has Awoken

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    Just because Marie is concerned enough about her sister to be concerned about her safety doesn't mean they've at all mended fences. Marie is probably willing to help out with her niece and nephew because THEY need it, but still is very angry at Skyler.

    There have to be constant fights when the kids are not around. "A few years ago you said our relationship could never be the same because I didn't admit I shoplifted a bracelet, and you expect me to get past getting involved in drug manufacturing and getting my husband killed?!"
     
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    I've been rewatching Breaking Bad, in season 2 and now I'm wondering, why didn't Tortuga ever appear in BCS? Danny Trejo not available or did the writers not think of it?
     
  20. The Scrooge Doctor

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    Yeah, I wondered the same thing during my rewatch. Kuby, too, but I guess Bill Burr wasn't available either.