Better Call Saul, the TV series

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Temis the Vorta, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. JaffreyPanthosa

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    At the beginning of Breaking Bad it still seemed like Walter was actually doing it only to avoid leaving his family with the debt of his treatment and that he would agonize over every killing he may have to do. He seriously considered letting Crazy 8 go until he pieced together the plate. The show looked like a very different show in the first two seasons than the final three.

    At least in Breaking Bad though the premise had been fully established in the first episode. Better Call Saul seems to be trying to establish things about Saul's that Breaking Bad fans already know and hasn't established the main dilemma yet.

    You could say, they're doing it so fresh viewers can understand the character. But fresh viewers have no reason to be intrigued by the character yet, and they were clearly leaning on the viewers' recognition of Tucco to establish just how much danger Saul is in.
     
  2. Ryan8bit

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    I didn't start with BB right when it first premiered, but when I did, I definitely felt the need to keep watching. The pilot was compelling as you could see where things were going. Yeah, you might not have expected the last couple seasons, but the show was set on a course. Right now, BCS doesn't yet have such a direction, and the situations aren't as compelling. Maybe tonight's episode will shine more light on that.
     
  3. shivkala

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    I watched episode one of Breaking Bad during the summer of 2012. It didn't grab me. Last January (2014), I finally dove in and after a few episodes, I got why so many people loved the show.

    I'm going to watch Better Call Saul live, so I'm not going to wait a year and a half between episodes, but looking back, the premiere of BB did have better characters and was more interesting than BCS.

    Part of the reason is that it's a prequel. When I watch prequels I always try to guess how they go from where they are in the prequel to where we know them to be in the original source. Star Wars failed at this, quite spectacularly. Moments where you just can't see them make the connection and still maintain some logic and sense that the prequel really did happen before the original, rather than being shoehorned it to make it fit.

    The journey of Jimmy to Saul to Cinnabon Manager (I forget the name on his nametag) has the same potential, I hope they live up to it.

    Anyone else see the thread and think Temis the Vorta was back? Looking at her post history, she stopped posting a few days after starting this thread. Hopefully the Breaking Bad fans didn't get a hold of her.
     
  4. bigdaddy

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    Breaking Bad writers have come out and said when everything seemingly was planned, it wasn't at all and they made it up as they went along. There is nothing wrong with that.

    I haven't seen Better Call Saul yet but the premiere was the best demoed in cable history.

    Also I thought the creators came out and said they see no reason why the show can't take place at any point in time that they want. I think the show will start off as Saul thinking about his past, but then in a few seasons maybe come up to post Breaking Bad days.
     
  5. Guy Gardener

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    Have a season set when he's nine and "Saul" is either his best friend who dies tragically, or his imaginary friend who Jimmy blames for all the sneaky shit he gets up to.
     
  6. JaffreyPanthosa

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    I'm pretty sure he picked the name 'Saul' because it rhymes with 'Call' and is Jewish.

    You think the season will extend to his post-BB life? I was under the impression it'd be exclusively his origin story.
     
  7. Dr. Funkenstein

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    I'm thinking a lot of folks are just having a case of cloudy memories, tainted by how excellent the Breaking Bad series turned out.

    The first few episodes were pretty uninspiring, mostly spent introducing the characters and setting the basics of the premise in place. Better Call Saul's first episode pretty much did the same thing in the same general way, albeit with a view of the future that we already know exists.

    That said, I liked it every bit as much as I liked the first part of season one of Breaking Bad. Hardly fast paced or groundbreaking in the drama department, but interesting in a watching-someone-else's-life sort of way.
     
  8. JaffreyPanthosa

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    Anyone else feel like these two episodes were meant to air together? The pacing certainly makes a lot more sense that way.

    I'm wondering what Mike is casing that makes him hold that job.
     
  9. Snaploud

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    I'm enjoying the show so far. I hope it doesn't get weighed-down by the Breaking Bad comparisons.
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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    The reason I didn't recognize Nacho immediately is because he wasn't this hot on Orphan Black.

    He's lost 30 pounds and gained 4 inches somehow.

    The real secret to hotness.
     
  11. Ryan8bit

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    The second episode was a lot better. It was just paced better and was more compelling. I agree with the above poster that they may have originally been meant to be back to back. The first episode just had such a slow pace until about the end.

    What exactly is up with Chuck? Is it mental illness?
     
  12. PKerr

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    I think it would be cool after a season or two to the show play a scene from BB and then see how that BB episode plays out from Saul's perspective, no every episode of course but here and there would be cool.
    I don't think a show has ever done that before.
     
  13. Set Harth

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    It took me a moment to figure out what you were talking about.
    ( pre-stroke Ronnie James Dio? )

    The character's name was Hector, he was called "Tio" because he was Tuco's uncle.
     
  14. Tom

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    I wonder if the Tuco's grandmother is Tio's mother? 50/50 shot on that. LOL
     
  15. JaffreyPanthosa

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    Battlestar Galactica did that with The Plan, also it was a frequently used plot device in Lost to show a situation from one perspective then later show it from another.

    Also B5 did that in the Babylon 4 arc.
     
  16. PKerr

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    No I mean using footage from another show no longer on the air to have episodes based on.
     
  17. Ryan8bit

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    Trials and Tribbleations?
     
  18. Dr. San Guinary

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    Remember the cop show Boomtown? That was the entire premise of the show - whole scenes would be repeated but from different perspectives. One of the reasons I loved the show so much. Pity it didn't last. :sigh:
     
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    Oh boy, this is gonna be great! :cool:
     
  20. JaffreyPanthosa

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    Also if we can go beyond the realm of television, Back To The Future 2 did that.

    I would hope that Better Call Saul didn't converge to the Breaking Bad timeline until a confirmed last season. It's not clear how far in the past we are at this point.

    I never saw the B5 spinoff, did it do any time travelly stuff?