Best/Worst Picks
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^^ Well, that is really a matter of personal preference, not objective fact, Navaros. I personally agree with your preference...but I really don't feel comfortable saying it is the 'correct' preference. 
That said, I also am really struggling with the OP and his so-called 'research' methods. First, because true 'research' is really a ridiculous term for what we are doing here. Answering a poll on an internet message board is hardly participating in true scientific research.
But more to the point, it does disturb me that the OP seems to have determined what the 'correct' answer should be...and when the results did not prove him out, is now setting about ways of discrediting them.
I guess one good thing is that in future, he prolly won't be pimping his polls in the DS9 forum, huh? Better to just leave us off the advertising list entirely than to risk our participation and possible upset of the predetermined outcome.
DAMN us!
We are ALWAYS screwing up the works around here! 
That said, I also am really struggling with the OP and his so-called 'research' methods. First, because true 'research' is really a ridiculous term for what we are doing here. Answering a poll on an internet message board is hardly participating in true scientific research.
But more to the point, it does disturb me that the OP seems to have determined what the 'correct' answer should be...and when the results did not prove him out, is now setting about ways of discrediting them.
I guess one good thing is that in future, he prolly won't be pimping his polls in the DS9 forum, huh?
Better to just leave us off the advertising list entirely than to risk our participation and possible upset of the predetermined outcome.DAMN us!
We are ALWAYS screwing up the works around here! Here's a thought as to why you don't see (m)any DS9/TOS or DS9/TNG responses. DS9 is built on the foundation of the other two series. The Ferengi, tribbles, Cardassians, Bajorans, and so many more DS9 elements are a direct outgrowth of TOS and TNG. VOY and ENT are both UPN shows that are easier to separate from the rest of the franchise, so they are easier responses to give in this type of poll.
^ Well, I don't think it's correct to say that DS9 'grew' out of TOS/TNG and VOY/ENT did not.
Each of the 5 shows has certain things in common with the others...and many things NOT in common.
TNG had Ferengi and Cardassians...but they were hardly that well developed. The Ferengi in particular were like cartoon characters on TNG. And one episode with tribbles (which was done specifically to celebrate an important anniversary of Trek) hardly counts as this huge inclusion of tribbles on DS9.
Further, DS9 had several races that were NOT on TNG or TOS. The Jem'Hadar, the Vorta, the Founders, and several GQ races where never shown on TOS or TNG.
This does not differ at all from VOY. VOY had Cardassians, and even Ferengi. Plus they had the Borg...and there is no bigger throwback to TNG than that! I mean, VOY taking on the Borg basically turned TNG's 'biggest bad' into VOY's 'biggest bad'. So really, VOY and TNG are even more heavily linked than are TNG and DS9....because say what you will about DS9, the 'big bad' on DS9 was not a TOS or TNG race at all.
Frankly, I'm not surprised in the slightest that there are not many DS9/TOS responses. Most Niners that I know like TOS if they have seen it. I think it has to do mainly with the type of main characters which are present on the two shows - TOS and DS9 are very similar in that Our Heroes are *flawed* heroes....not ones who run around making speeches to all of these errant non-Federation races...but ones who make mistakes and learn from those mistakes.
As for TNG, I can't help you there as I myself voted DS9/TNG. But my suspicion is that it is because the perception is, at a number of places on this board (not just among DS9 fans) that VOY and ENT were considered to be sub-par. I don't happen to agree with that perception myself - particularly where VOY is concerned. But I think you will find that MANY people around here don't care for VOY or ENT. That is not a DS9 fan-specific view, but a view that is held fairly widely on TrekBBS.
Each of the 5 shows has certain things in common with the others...and many things NOT in common.
TNG had Ferengi and Cardassians...but they were hardly that well developed. The Ferengi in particular were like cartoon characters on TNG. And one episode with tribbles (which was done specifically to celebrate an important anniversary of Trek) hardly counts as this huge inclusion of tribbles on DS9.
Further, DS9 had several races that were NOT on TNG or TOS. The Jem'Hadar, the Vorta, the Founders, and several GQ races where never shown on TOS or TNG.
This does not differ at all from VOY. VOY had Cardassians, and even Ferengi. Plus they had the Borg...and there is no bigger throwback to TNG than that! I mean, VOY taking on the Borg basically turned TNG's 'biggest bad' into VOY's 'biggest bad'. So really, VOY and TNG are even more heavily linked than are TNG and DS9....because say what you will about DS9, the 'big bad' on DS9 was not a TOS or TNG race at all.
Frankly, I'm not surprised in the slightest that there are not many DS9/TOS responses. Most Niners that I know like TOS if they have seen it. I think it has to do mainly with the type of main characters which are present on the two shows - TOS and DS9 are very similar in that Our Heroes are *flawed* heroes....not ones who run around making speeches to all of these errant non-Federation races...but ones who make mistakes and learn from those mistakes.
As for TNG, I can't help you there as I myself voted DS9/TNG.
But my suspicion is that it is because the perception is, at a number of places on this board (not just among DS9 fans) that VOY and ENT were considered to be sub-par. I don't happen to agree with that perception myself - particularly where VOY is concerned. But I think you will find that MANY people around here don't care for VOY or ENT. That is not a DS9 fan-specific view, but a view that is held fairly widely on TrekBBS. PKTrekGirl said:
^^ Well, that is really a matter of personal preference, not objective fact, Navaros. I personally agree with your preference...but I really don't feel comfortable saying it is the 'correct' preference.
That said, I also am really struggling with the OP and his so-called 'research' methods. First, because true 'research' is really a ridiculous term for what we are doing here. Answering a poll on an internet message board is hardly participating in true scientific research.
But more to the point, it does disturb me that the OP seems to have determined what the 'correct' answer should be...and when the results did not prove him out, is now setting about ways of discrediting them.
I guess one good thing is that in future, he prolly won't be pimping his polls in the DS9 forum, huh?
DAMN us!
I posted the same invitation in each of the five show threads--I can't see how that's stacking the deck. Frankly, when I look down the list of thread creaters on the Voyager section, I don't see many of those names around in this thread or the other poll that I created--some but not all. Angel4576 and I very nicely settled our differences with a
apiece, and 'lo and behold, the war starts again. Angel and I went nine rounds this weekend, and we're done. I've learned my lesson and refuse to go nine rounds with anyone else.
I'll discuss this via PM.
PKTrekGirl said:
^^ Well, that is really a matter of personal preference, not objective fact, Navaros. I personally agree with your preference...but I really don't feel comfortable saying it is the 'correct' preference.
That said, I also am really struggling with the OP and his so-called 'research' methods. First, because true 'research' is really a ridiculous term for what we are doing here. Answering a poll on an internet message board is hardly participating in true scientific research.
But more to the point, it does disturb me that the OP seems to have determined what the 'correct' answer should be...and when the results did not prove him out, is now setting about ways of discrediting them.
I guess one good thing is that in future, he prolly won't be pimping his polls in the DS9 forum, huh?
DAMN us!
PK, shouldn't you be giving yourself a warning here? tsk, tsk, talking about a poster!
If my count is correct, Voyager has 34 votes for worst series, and Enterprise has a mere 32. It brings a chuckle because even while I might pick either of these series as a least favorite, I watched them both, and it wouldn't surprise me that many of you did as well.
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