Best Trek episode of 1966! What is YOUR choice?

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What is your choice for NyCon "Best Dramatic Presentation" Hugo?

  1. The Man Trap

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  2. Charlie X

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Where No Man Has Gone Before

    6 vote(s)
    9.2%
  4. The Naked Time

    6 vote(s)
    9.2%
  5. The Enemy Within

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  6. Mudd's Women

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. What are Little Girls Made of?

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  8. Miri

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Dagger of the Mind

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  10. Corbomite Manuever

    17 vote(s)
    26.2%
  11. The Menagerie

    10 vote(s)
    15.4%
  12. Conscience of the King

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  13. Balance of Terror

    17 vote(s)
    26.2%
  14. Shore Leave

    3 vote(s)
    4.6%
  15. Something else... (please describe)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Maurice

    Maurice Snagglepussed Premium Member

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    Well, except They don’t have a specific citation next to the Kubrick thing, so kinda hard to gauge the veracity of it.
     
  2. Neopeius

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    You mean it's hard to verify the veracity of it. It would require looking at the five sources cited.

    "How much the film did or did not influence other aspects of Trek is speculation at best."

    Kubrick didn't borrow from Dr. Who, though he wrote to Camfield.
     
  3. plynch

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    I think Enemy Within is pretty profound for 60s tv, so it gets my vote. I used to show it in my intro psych class and have students compare Matheson’ two-part to Freud’s three-part personality model.

    I guess it’s the fact that id-Kirk is not decreed Evil, but seen as necessary and part of us.
     
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  4. Neopeius

    Neopeius Admiral Admiral

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    It's from the article Pixley, Daleks Masterplan, from Doctor Who Magazine #272 (1998)

    "After transmission of Counter Plot, the production office was contacted by the team working on Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey at MGM Borehamwood; the film-makers wanted to know how Camfield had achieved the shots of corpses floating in space and the 'molecular dissemination' sequences."

    Commentary from our crew:

    Kris: It doesn't say where they got it from but DWM are very fastidious with their research, so I would trust them.

    Fiona: The problem with Andrew Pixley is that, while he's very fastidious, he also doesn't cite his sources as often as he should-- this can be a problem because sometimes he's quoting something that no longer exists (courtesy of the big BBC written records purge in the 1990s) and, very occasionally, he's misinformed. So it can be really frustrating at times.

    Kris:Yeah it is frustrating. Camfield passed away in the 80s, so unless you can find someone young on the production team who would somehow remember a random phone call from a film studio almost 60 years ago, this probably something you have to take on faith that Pixley didn't just hear a rumour, slot it in and no one at DWM checked it.

    Fiona Yeah. If it helps, I've got a friend who's currently writing the Master Plan volume for Obverse Books and he's got quite a lot of source material; he also interviewed Camfield at one point IIRC. I could ask him or put you in touch?

    --

    So at this point, I think we're in "Probably True" territory.

    Another confirmed rumor: Kubrick wanted Sylvia and Gerry Anderson to do the f/x for 2001.

    Edit:

    Fiona I asked him and he's come up trumps. It's from an interview with John Wiles in tribute to Douglas Camfield:

    “My favourite memory of Dougie stems from the time of The Daleks’ Master Plan. He was in my office one day when he was phoned by one of Stanley Kubrick’s assistants (or, perhaps, the great man himself?) doing research for 2001: A Space Odyssey. How, he wanted to know, had Douglas achieved the effect 0f ‘space walking’ in his most recent episode of Doctor Who? Dougie’s delight at this query, and his enjoyment of the fact that he had obviously outwitted ‘the big boys;. Live with me to this day.”

    From Douglas Camfield: A Tribute. (1991) Magazine and interview by Philip Newman.

    So at this point, I think we're in "True" territory.

    P.S. This info courtesy of Alan Stevens.

    P.P.S. Thus concludes this episode of Who Trek. :)
     
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