Berman really had a stupid idea on music

[Broccoli]

Yep, I enjoy it too. Sometimes ya just have to call a spade a spade, and Berman was just not a good creative force in Star Trek, period.

You're right. He kept Trek on the air for only 18 years, that slacker. A good producer would go at least 30.

Berman certainly had his influences, and they should not be underestimated, but you also have to at least mention Michael Piller when discussing The Next Generation's tonal shift in season three.

True, Piller was the man when it came to revamping TNG. However, it should be noted that Berman put the guy in charge and Roddenberry probably would have frowned at the direction of TNG under Piller's tenure.

I'm not aware of the sage you refer to, but didn't Tyler compose Children of Dune before his Trek work? I think that score has gotten him a certain amount of notice (a portion was used in the recent Indiana Jones 4 trailer, for example).

He did, but CoD was released during ENT's second season. I don't know if that overlapped or proceeded his time on the show.

 

[number6]

The theme music for "Enterprise" would have worked better for me, if it hadn't already been used for "Patch Adams". That they didn't use an original composition for this series did not impress me at all - then again, neither did "Enterprise".

I never saw Patch Adams, so it makes little difference to me.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Yep, I enjoy it too. Sometimes ya just have to call a spade a spade, and Berman was just not a good creative force in Star Trek, period.

You're right. He kept Trek on the air for only 18 years, that slacker. A good producer would go at least 30.

BFD. Big Brother has been on for how long?? Lots of shit lasts for a very long time. It's usually the good stuff that fails.

 

[Trilliam]

It didn't help that I can't stand that song.

 

[Warp Coil]

I can honestly say that I have never been dramatically impressed with any music score from episodic Trek. A few brief moments have come close, but overall, Trek's music has been pretty bland and forgettable. The films, overall, were much more diverse and interesting.

Anyone looking for impressive TV scores should look at Michael Giacchino (Alias, Lost) and Bear McCreary (nuBSG).

 

[trevanian]

As much as I love some trek film music, almost none of it touches the best of the TOS series work in terms of emotional impact and the way they burnish in memory.

As for all the Bermanlove up there ... Berman didn't hire Piller, Michael Wagner did, after Berman hired him. Then Wagner bolted, and Piller fell into the job. Piller also fell afoul of GR, but I guess they all got round that by not showing him stories till they were in production (based on a bit I heard while waiting to pitch to Piller in december 1990, when GR had a rant and Piller had to go deal with it.)

Berman kept it going for awhile, but that was not a good thing.

 

[A beaker full of death]

As much as I love some trek film music, almost none of it touches the best of the TOS series work in terms of emotional impact and the way they burnish in memory.

And in terms of musical sophistication. I mean this stuff was, simply, good music. That's a rare thing, today especially.

 

[I am not Spock]

TOS had good music, but as for modern Trek... um...(silence)

I'm very glad we're getting Michael Giacchino for Trek XI.

 

[number6]

TOS had good music, but as for modern Trek... um...(silence)

That is the difference between the score of the 60s and a score of the 80s
And TOS recycled music and pieced together scores for each episode. Berman was the one who insisted to GR that each episode had its own original score. The prevailing trend in Hollywood toward the end of the 80s was for more wallpaper music, presumably as a backlash to all the cheesy synth music and the musician's strike concerning being replaced with synths.

I'm very glad we're getting Michael Giacchino for Trek XI.

Me too. i thought his score for MI3 was reminiscent of some of the great music on the TV show, with some fresh ideas. We will get the same for the new film, no doubt.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Berman was the one who insisted to GR that each episode had its own original score.

I believe tracking was no longer allowed by the union by the time of TNG.

 

[number6]

Berman was the one who insisted to GR that each episode had its own original score.

I believe tracking was no longer allowed by the union by the time of TNG.

I got the info right from the Music of Star Trek book, but that may in fact be true. I can't remember.. 1985-6 when they were developing TNG.. I was in college..soo long ago.

 

[roliver]

Composer Velton Ray Bunch even had Berman mess with his scor eto the Enterprise episode "Silent Enemy", which despite Berman's efforts, still got critical acclaim from fans and won an Emmy.

Yet Brian Tyler has told me that there was no interference of any kind for the two Enterprise scores he did. Perhaps he was being polite...I don't know.