Yeah, I had just ignored it since I stopped reading Trek novelizations long ago. Now that I know about this I'm intrigued.
Berman and Braga Talk Enterprise and its Legacy (Recorded in 2012)
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Yeah, I had just ignored it since I stopped reading Trek novelizations long ago. Now that I know about this I'm intrigued.
UPN's "idea" to have a rotating series of boy bands play music in the NX-01 mess hall just to try to draw in younger and "hipper" viewers only goes to demonstrate that no matter what a fan thinks of Rick and Brannon - love the guys or think they're one of the worst things to happen to the Star Trek franchise in the '90s and 2000s - the network and Paramount usually had FAR worse and much dumber ideas for the show.
Eh. The most interesting thing about it is that, in her haste to point out the idiodicy of the script, she managed to make things even more stupid.
For eg. Character think how stupid and cliche it would be to go a strip club - character still goes to strip club. Captain thinks technobabbleing in a crisis will get them killed - Captain leans back and allows everyone to keep technobabbling in a crisis situation.
It's not crazy and ranty enough to be entertaining. It's just...immersion-breaking.
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In a way, B&B were in a no-win situation as far as characterisation goes. (I know I keep harping on about this, but) Characters in previous series were basically perfect (albeit with endearing quirks). But as far as TV drama went, the wind was blowing in the direction of more fallible characters, so that's the direction ENT went. The problem was that by the standards of previous Trek series, that meant they were bad characters. Part of the reason ENT has grown in acceptance is that with time we've grown more used to the idea of more modern characterisation. Given Fuller's record, I think we will see more flawed characters in the upcoming series (despite whatever Fuller says about keeping to Star Trek's optimistic vision).
Loved the show. Loved the FOTH song. Enjoyed the interview very much. Yes, the guys were defensive at times but they should be. Their efforts were mercilessly assaulted by hyper-opinionated fans and outright trolls.
^^^ This!!
I've read it, and for the most part, I don't really blame her. I enjoy 'Broken Bow', but something like Rigel being depicted as a made-up planetary system unknown to humans, with Archer and co. not connecting it to the real-life star, deserves everything it gets.
I don't really think it's stupid to portray a strip club in the future. I imagine scantily clad women (men - whatever) will still be popular in the future, even among aliens
I won't lie. I love "Broken Bow" but the unfamiliarity of Enterprise's senior officers with the Rigel system bugged me considering the widespread knowledge we have of the actual star Rigel in the modern, real world. It may have been a better scriptwriting choice to have Archer or Trip say something along the lines of, oh: "There's a major spaceport facility in that system? I thought there were just a couple of inhabitable planets there and one is populated by a primitive warrior species that wears animal skins and armor?"
Oh please - TOS characters in the 1960ies were VERY fallible. In fact that's why many TOS fans didn't care for TNG at the start because GR WAS in his "Humanity is perfect" phase - which made it hard to write any drama into the scripts. The problem I always had with Rick Berman was - after GR passed away he doubled down on that for all the TNG era shows he had a major hand in. ENT was very inconsistent character wise as a result because IMO they were so used to that type of writing for modern Star Trek in general. It wasn't that the characters were disliked because they were flawed - like VOY - the previous Trek series, the characters were inconsistently written.
Once they handed the reigns to Manny Coto, that's when the character writing improved because he understood how to write these types of characters and write them well.
TOS characters had quirks that made them more lovable, and didn't diminish their awesomeness. TNG characters were problematic because they were pompous and unemotional, not because they were flawless. (They warmed up eventually.)
The writing for Archer was notably inconsistent, but I've never seen this accusation made for the other characters.
The only real change in characterisation for season 4 is that there was less of it. For people who didn't like the characters, that was an improvement.
Indeed. To paraphrase a quote from another message board, this version of Enterprise was the best possible Trek we could've gotten, because UPN and whoever they'd have hired if Bermaga walked would've turned Trek into fucking Dawson's Creek in Space.
The burnout was pretty obvious, but in a roundabout way, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are Severus Snape to the fandom's collective Harry Potter. The biggest difference being Harry eventually expressed gratitude to Snape once he found out all he'd done
