Chakotay lacked charisma. He had the opportunity to showcase his personality with Seska, but it showed he couldn't deliver. It came off as contrived. If Belanna had been paired with Chak it would have damaged her character.
B'Elanna Torres
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Chakotay lacked charisma. He had the opportunity to showcase his personality with Seska, but it showed he couldn't deliver. It came off as contrived. If Belanna had been paired with Chak it would have damaged her character.
maybe, but it could also have let her shine more due to greater contrast than their would be with Tom. To me, Tom and B'elanna are somewhat alike in character.
I thought she was the best actress in the group and the character with the most interesting background/emotional situation. Pity she was underused like much of the cast. I did lose respect for her when she got together with Rebel without a Clue though
But really, what were her options on Voyager? Ensign Vorik?
Maybe she could have warmed up to Seven and caused a big love feud with Janeway over her.
Maybe she could have warmed up to Seven and caused a big love feud with Janeway over her.
Is the glass half empty or half full?
Seven didn't always come out on top. In season 4 I recall that wonderful scene where Belanna crawls into a jefferies tube to do some repairs, and finds Seven there rerouting power to her soon to be astral cartography lab. B'Elanna was rightfully p-o'ed and read Seven the riot act... then she realized SHE sounded like Janeway hollaring at a new chief engineer.
My fav B'Elanna/Seven scene was in season 7, when Seven thought she was dying and went to Engineering ostensibly to "work"... but in reality what she was doing was going to B'Elanna for comfort, and she got it.
TORRES: He's looking for you. The Doctor, I ran into him in the corridor. He's about thirty seconds away from calling a ship-wide alert.
SEVEN: Are you going to tell him where I am?
TORRES: No. I know what it's like to be stuck in Sickbay. I've escaped the Doctor myself once or twice.
SEVEN: Thank you.
TORRES: Any time.
SEVEN: Lieutenant. When you die, do you believe your spirit will go to Sto-Vo-Kor?
TORRES: You shouldn't be thinking about dying.
SEVEN: According to the Doctor's simulations any attempt to adapt the salvaged node will fail. Sto-Vo-Kor, Lieutenant. Do you believe you'll go there?
TORRES: I guess it all depends on how honourable my death is.
SEVEN: But you do believe there's something after death?
TORRES: I hope so. What about you?
SEVEN: The Borg have no concept of an afterlife. However, when a drone is deactivated, its memories continue to reside in the Collective's consciousness. As long as the hive exists, so will the part of that drone.
TORRES: You don't seem to take much comfort in that.
SEVEN: My link to the Collective has been severed for nearly four years. If I die, everything that I've accomplished in that time, everything I achieved as an individual, will be lost. My memories, my experiences. It will be as if they, as if I never existed.
TORRES: I think you're a little more memorable than you're giving yourself credit for. You don't need the Collective to validate your existence. You've made an impact on every member of this crew. That's your legacy.
EMH: There you are. I should have known she'd (BLT) be the one to harbour a fugitive.
TORRES: We difficult patients need to stick together.
EMH: I want you to return to Sickbay immediately.
SEVEN: Have you devised a new treatment?
EMH: Not yet.
SEVEN: Then it's best that I don't distract you from finding one.
EMH: Seven, if you continue to exert yourself your condition will only deteriorate more rapidly. Is that what you want?
SEVEN: What I want is to be useful.
TORRES: I really could use her help. I promise not to let her overdo it.
I agree TPTB could have done MORE with the Torres/Seven dynamic, and since I like that "foster sister" relationship its the reason I based my fanfic upon it. If TPTB wouldn't give me what I wanted, I decided to do it myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQvkoo66vYI
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I liked that scene too
I actually think it would be awesome seeing a klingon and a vulcan together trying to make things work. I found Vorik infinitely more interesting than Nick LoCarno's impotent brother.
I actually think it would be awesome seeing a klingon and a vulcan together trying to make things work. I found Vorik infinitely more interesting than Nick LoCarno's impotent brother.
I was talking about that, regardless of who won an argument, Seven got A LOT of major screen time and episodes/scenarios revolving around her, whereas B'Elanna remained on the fringes of the background, except with her relationship with Tom.
I disliked her, since she was too self-pitying about how she flunked out of the Academy, or how her father left her, or how she hates how her Klingon DNA makes her angry.
Big deal. Most of her friends/crewmates had tough times too. Nothing perhaps beats Seven, she got assimilated and essentially raped of her being by the Borg, and had to learn humanity all over again. In most Trek shows, characters have tragic pasts. Worf was a child orphan, Sisko lost his wife to the Borg, Picard got assimilated by the Borg, Geordi was born blind, Kira had to fight to protect her own people, Odo had no clue what species he was and when he found his people he discovered they were evil, etc.
B'Elanna, get over it.
Big deal. Most of her friends/crewmates had tough times too. Nothing perhaps beats Seven, she got assimilated and essentially raped of her being by the Borg, and had to learn humanity all over again. In most Trek shows, characters have tragic pasts. Worf was a child orphan, Sisko lost his wife to the Borg, Picard got assimilated by the Borg, Geordi was born blind, Kira had to fight to protect her own people, Odo had no clue what species he was and when he found his people he discovered they were evil, etc.
B'Elanna, get over it.
I think she was a little too whiny at times myself. It came down to the writing though, most of the time they gave her a good balance about being uncomfortable with her Klingon heritage and getting angry at things. And other times, like in the pilot, she seemed like she was treating her Klingon side like an unfair disability.
Try watching Voyager again.
Seven isn't prominately featured in any episode that B'Elanna is the main focus nor is she upstaged by Neelix or Kim, who also share very little screen time with her. She the only character that's never paired up with Seven the whole series. B"Elanna was one of the few cast members who had solid episodes that didn't require Seven to give them a boost. It was very clear too me that the writers/producers had great faith in Dawson as an actress to hold her own, which she did every time.
Sure, but she didn't get as many episodes as she should have considering the generous amount of screen time given Kim. And I do remember there being several episodes that started with her, then for no good reason switched over to someone like Kim for the rest of the episode.
She got more quality episodes than Kim, in IMO.
So me personally, I don't care if she didn't get as many.
Her stories are better, more rememberable and better acted.
Kim only has one good ep., B'Elanna has several.
I think fans will are more likely to rewatch her eps due to that, than many of her other co-stars.
Everyone had more quality episodes than Kim, including Kes and she was only there for 3 years.
Exactly, B'Elanna could often have a great moment even if she was on screen for only a minute. Like I said, Kim got a generous amount of attention, mainly in the earlier seasons when they could have been developing the others, and all we can say about him in the end is that he plays the clarinet.
Not true, he switched to the Saxophone.
Not true, he switched to the Saxophone.
Trying to figure out if the winking smilie is supposed to indicate you're joking and Kim really didn't pick up the saxophone at any point because if he did...I really don't think I remember it.
Oh wait, was that during Tom and B'Elanna's wedding? And if so, would that even count?
And, to keep Kim from hijacking this thread, I have to say that one of my favorite B'Elanna episodes is Blood Fever. I know some people have issues with this episode and just see it as a tawdry way to get B'Elanna to heave and gasp in Tom's direction but, consider this...Vorik, a member of a race that the doctor had already called out for being rather Victorian and prudish when it comes to sex, raped her...make no mistake about that.
Then, because it's a "medical condition" (omg, he has to have sex or he'll diiiiiiiiiie) he's basically excused for his actions. In fact, it's suggested that Vorik and B'Elanna just take the easy way out and satisfy each other's pon farr. Vorik is, of course, all for it...however, B'Elanna is still not on board. EVEN WITH the link between them that is apparently strong enough to cause her to experience pon farr, she REJECTS Vorik and CHOOSES Tom.
Meanwhile, Tom is just a poor chap who has a romantic interest in B'Elanna and respects her enough to not want to take advantage of her, except everyone then starts pestering him about how her condition can kill her if left untreated. Innocent and confused bystander, really.
Finally, in what has to be the best conclusion ever, B'Elanna gets the chance to confront her rapist and then? Then she beats the crap out of his sorry ass.
Oh yes, I love B'Elanna.
In Ashes to Ashes, Lyndsay Ballard asks Harry if he's still playing the clarinet, and he replies that he switched to the saxophone. We see him playing it a few times.Trying to figure out if the winking smilie is supposed to indicate you're joking and Kim really didn't pick up the saxophone at any point because if he did...I really don't think I remember it.
In Ashes to Ashes, Lyndsay Ballard asks Harry if he's still playing the clarinet, and he replies that he switched to the saxophone. We see him playing it a few times.Trying to figure out if the winking smilie is supposed to indicate you're joking and Kim really didn't pick up the saxophone at any point because if he did...I really don't think I remember it.
Well I'll be... I guess I paid less attention to him than I thought.
Blood Fever was so stupid just on the basis of the Pon Farr being able to be passed to another species. But then there's the fact that it also makes Vulcans look like they have some mating rituals that are more backwards than Klingon's, not to mention it was the first instance of the Pon Farr being infamously used for mindless sex.
But considering it was a third season Voyager episode (gasp) it was at least pretty entertaining. And you know what? Ensign Vorik was a lot more interesting than Ensign Clarinet.
But considering it was a third season Voyager episode (gasp) it was at least pretty entertaining. And you know what? Ensign Vorik was a lot more interesting than Ensign Clarinet.
Another thing to B'Elanna's credit, is that she was the last person to keep the Maquis alive on Voyager. Like when the news of...
reached them, it would have been pretty much missed if it wasn't for her. Chakotay was of course all passive about it, but B'Elanna made it feel like a profound event.
the Maquis getting slautered by the Dominion
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