Battlestar Galactica getting rebooted (again) for NBS's streaming service

[JirinPanthosa]

I don’t mind the idea of having actual divine beings in sci-fi, it’s just boring writing when the solution to everything is “God did it”.

Especially in a show previously defined by magical realism and the real consequences of human ugliness. “God magicked them to the new planet” is boring.

 

[theenglish]

How so?

I can't remember the specific episodes, but from the first season, perhaps the mini-series, God was mentioned repeatedly by Six to Baltar. The Cylon religion was a recurring theme throughout. There was even episodes where divine intervention happened but could also be interpreted as coincidence.

As viewers, many of us chose to believe that the religious beliefs/elements were just myths or supernatural explanations for things that would be revealed later--but the twist was that it was meant to be God all along.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I don’t mind the idea of having actual divine beings in sci-fi, it’s just boring writing when the solution to everything is “God did it”.

Especially in a show previously defined by magical realism and the real consequences of human ugliness. “God magicked them to the new planet” is boring.

It wasn’t really God magicking them to Earth. Starbuck was trying to remember some song from her childhood, Hera a human/Cylon hybrid child drew some circles that perfectly matched the notes of the song, the song is the same song written on the original Earth by Anders who is married to Starbuck, and the song was able to be coded into a string of jump coordinates to new Earth. It’s more about the song, it’s ties to the Final Five and how it seems to pop up in key parts of human and Cylon history. It’s likely tied to God, but it isn’t clear. Saying it was just God is misunderstanding of what happened on the show.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It wasn’t really God magicking them to Earth. Starbuck was trying to remember some song from her childhood, Hera a human/Cylon hybrid child drew some circles that perfectly matched the notes of the song, the song is the same song written on the original Earth by Anders who is married to Starbuck, and the song was able to be coded into a string of jump coordinates to new Earth. It’s more about the song, it’s ties to the Final Five and how it seems to pop up in key parts of human and Cylon history. It’s likely tied to God, but it isn’t clear. Saying it was just God is misunderstanding of what happened on the show.

Starbuck was explicitly trans substantiated as an angel at the time. And Caprica 6 and Baltar angels manipulated their counterparts from start to finish with the explicit goal of leading the fleet to new Earth with Hera alive. Roslyn was even explicitly told in a vision killing Baltar would doom the fleet.

Every single breadcrumb was explicitly planted by divine beings.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Starbuck was explicitly trans substantiated as an angel at the time. And Caprica 6 and Baltar angels manipulated their counterparts from start to finish with the explicit goal of leading the fleet to new Earth with Hera alive. Roslyn was even explicitly told in a vision killing Baltar would doom the fleet.

Every single breadcrumb was explicitly planted by divine beings.

But that’s all they are, breadcrumbs meant to guide and influence them. It’s never direct intervention. The closest is the return and disappearance of Starbuck.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Cylon God is preSkinjob.

So the Cylon God's chosen people are the Centurians.

In the end, they were set free.

Everything else that happened to every body else except the Centurians, was so that the Centurians could be free of the skinjobs and the humans bossing them around.

 

[Noname Given]

I periodically think that the BSG-TOS Beings of Light were the original Cylons who built the robot Cylons since they were "connected" to Count Iblis, who had the same voice as the Imperious leader.

In the original concept (that never made it to screen in any form) - the Cyllons were biological Lizards (IE - "Snakes") which was about as OBVIOUS an allegory as Glen Larson could make given the original show was based on Mormonism and it's beliefs.

Because the showwas slotted at 7:00 PM on Sunday (something ABC planned even as the show was in development - being in the "Family Friendly" zone; you couldn't have living people (even if one side were Lizards) killing each other openly on screen; so the Cylons became robots who either were created and controlled by Lizard leaders; OR they (the Cylons) killed off their creators entirely; but (for whatever reason) made the Leadership models look like their former Lizard creators.

The "Ship Of Lights" stuff was all the other 'spiritual' beings that oversaw the 12 worlds the Colonies were founded on.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The ship of lights, was just a ship.

Aliens with a more advanced technology that seemed like magic.

Hell.

The Galacticans caught up.

Notice how their uniforms turned white when Troy and Dylan went to Nazi occupied Europe, and they explained the science behind that discolouration to the dumb Earther who they bought with them.

 

[saddestmoon]

I must admit to being curious as to what became of the toasters after the end of Nu-BSG (the ones who were given a basestar and jumped off somewhere to be free and discover the universe for themselves...)

 

[Guy Gardener]

They would have gone somewhere close, and built shipyards and a dry dock, so that they could fix or replace their busted ass base Star, that a hundred thousand years later humans will find on Io.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In the original concept (that never made it to screen in any form) - the Cyllons were biological Lizards (IE - "Snakes") which was about as OBVIOUS an allegory as Glen Larson could make given the original show was based on Mormonism and it's beliefs.

Because the showwas slotted at 7:00 PM on Sunday (something ABC planned even as the show was in development - being in the "Family Friendly" zone; you couldn't have living people (even if one side were Lizards) killing each other openly on screen; so the Cylons became robots who either were created and controlled by Lizard leaders; OR they (the Cylons) killed off their creators entirely; but (for whatever reason) made the Leadership models look like their former Lizard creators.

The "Ship Of Lights" stuff was all the other 'spiritual' beings that oversaw the 12 worlds the Colonies were founded on.

IIRC,* this is as much of the Cylon backstory that actually made it to the screen. From "War of the Gods, Part II" [https://www.springfieldspringfield....show=battlestar-galactica-1978&episode=s01e16]:

I know you! I remember that voice.
Do you? The voice of the Cylon Imperious Leader.
- But the Cylons are machines.
- Yes, now.
But once they were a race of beings who allowed themselves to be overcome by their own technology.
- And when did this happen?
- A thousand yahrens ago.
At the onset of the Thousand-Yahren War against the humans.
Then my voice would have to have been transcribed into a machine leader a thousand yahrens ago.
I'd have to be a thousand yahrens old.​

* - Though it's entirely possible that I've forgotten something.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I must admit to being curious as to what became of the toasters after the end of Nu-BSG (the ones who were given a basestar and jumped off somewhere to be free and discover the universe for themselves...)

Dunno about the toasters, but I always thought that the skinjobs returned to the Colonies, rebuilt them, and eventually forgot they were Cylons.

Thus giving rise to TOS.

All of this has happened before, etc.

So they really do take place in the same universe after all.

 

[Leroy]

They would have gone somewhere close, and built shipyards and a dry dock, so that they could fix or replace their busted ass base Star, that a hundred thousand years later humans will find on Io.

It's implied that modern basestars can self repair see both the visuals in the series and that resin that was used in an attempt to fix the damage done to Galactica.

A story set in modern Earth's future dealing with what happened to the 'Red Stripes' is an option. I would like a first cylon war series set aboard a Minerva class Battlestar. The first war lasted what 12 years? That's plenty of material to mine for a multiple season long show.

 

[David cgc]

I must admit to being curious as to what became of the toasters after the end of Nu-BSG (the ones who were given a basestar and jumped off somewhere to be free and discover the universe for themselves...)

I like to imagine they found a life-bearing, but not quite human-habitable world nearby, used the technology that made the humanoid Cylons to create new flesh bodies for themselves that were bespoke designs based on their Centurion bodies and the indigenous life, rather than duplicating human bodies precisely (and becoming boxed-in to recreate human culture, as the first generation of humanoid cylons were), and landed the baseship, allowing it to be overtaken by nature and, likewise, for it's organic computer systems to spread throughout the world's biosphere. Then, 150,000 years later, the descendants of the Colonial survivors that settled on Earth II returned to space and encountered the descendants of the Rebel Centurions, time having erased all knowledge of their common history.

Yes, that's right; the Rebel Baseship and it's crew became the Na'vi from Avatar. Release the sequels, Cameron, and prove me wrong!

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[Takeru]

I like to imagine they found a life-bearing, but not quite human-habitable world nearby, used the technology that made the humanoid Cylons to create new flesh bodies for themselves that were bespoke designs based on their Centurion bodies and the indigenous life, rather than duplicating human bodies precisely (and becoming boxed-in to recreate human culture, as the first generation of humanoid cylons were), and landed the baseship, allowing it to be overtaken by nature and, likewise, for it's organic computer systems to spread throughout the world's biosphere. Then, 150,000 years later, the descendants of the Colonial survivors that settled on Earth II returned to space and encountered the descendants of the Rebel Centurions, time having erased all knowledge of their common history.

Yes, that's right; the Rebel Baseship and it's crew became the Na'vi from Avatar. Release the sequels, Cameron, and prove me wrong!

And humans can be uploaded into Na'Vi bodies because modern humans are a human/cylon hybrid species, it actually works.

 

[KennyB]

Is this anywhere close to going in front of cameras?

 

[137th Gebirg]

Last I heard it’s still in pre-pre-prod. Same as it’s always been, basically.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Last I heard it’s still in pre-pre-prod. Same as it’s always been, basically.

It has to be further, because didn't Cliff Curtis quit Fear the ccx Walking Dead so he could join the cast?

 

[KennyB]

It has to be further, because didn't Cliff Curtis quit Fear the ccx Walking Dead so he could join the cast?

Looks like he quit to be in Avatar 2-5 which IS actually filming.