Battleship Enterprise

[USS Triumphant]

The main point being that I'd love to have seen what could have been done with "Yesterday's Enterprise" with a serious budget behind it.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

But according to wikipedia, 150 is about right for a slightly depleted (about 90-95%) unit based on USN SEALs (3x40 Operators per Numbered Team) or an RAF airfield-defence field squadron (though these are typically lead by Sqn Ldr's (equiv to Lt Cdr/Mjr) rather than Gp Capt's (equiv to Capt/Col), the later of which is similar to the role of the AR-558 defence unit IMO.

Following up on the above, if field squadrons are lead by Captains (which to my mind is about as likely as starships universally being commanded by a "Substantive" Captain rather than ranging from Fleet Captain down to Lieutenant Commander), then the up to 5,000 troops on the Battleship Enterprise would be commanded by Major General to Lieutenant General (equivalent of a Rear Admiral) rather than a "Senior" Colonel or Commonwealth Brigadier (ranking with Picard) which could cause 'chain of command' issues?

 

[Crazyewok]

It's possible that in order to make room for transporting soldiers the accommodations on the battleship Enterprise were altered. People who had spacious, private quarters on the ordinary Enterprise may have smaller quarters or even be forced to share in order to free up space.
Transporting soldiers is a chaotic business even in real life. When my Grandfather came home from WW2 he slept on the deck under a set of stairs, there were no quarters at all for him and his comrades. They put people wherever they had space. Yar's estimate on how many troops the Enterprise could transport might reflect that.

I woukd assume much of that space would have been lab space and civilian space converted to military space.

 

[Ithekro]

Perhaps Yamato and Galaxy were delayed, or the Galaxy prototype was finished as originally ordered, as an Explorer around the time the Enterprise-C was lost. Enterprise gets rushed to get a Big E on the front line to face the Klingons. Yamato either is delayed, or her shipyard is attacked at some point and she's destroyed by the Klingons.

Or Yamato is being farther upgraded....a ship like that needs a massively overpowered spinal beam weapon. So three nacelles and a phaser lance for Yamato. Less room for troops as the extra warp power and weapons arrays take up a lot of space.

 

[publiusr]

The main point being that I'd love to have seen what could have been done with "Yesterday's Enterprise" with a serious budget behind it.

Agreed

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Or Yamato is being farther upgraded....a ship like that needs a massively overpowered spinal beam weapon. So three nacelles and a phaser lance for Yamato. Less room for troops as the extra warp power and weapons arrays take up a lot of space.

Actually, I would doubt that the Galaxy-X design would have significantly lower habitable volume as most of the crew quarters are in the Saucer (though there are some on Deck 16, 17 and 32 of the Engineering Section), and the main change to that was the bolted-on external phaser lance, which appears to be attached to Deck 13 or 14.

 

[Ithekro]

Actually, I would doubt that the Galaxy-X design would have significantly lower habitable volume as most of the crew quarters are in the Saucer (though there are some on Deck 16, 17 and 32 of the Engineering Section), and the main change to that was the bolted-on external phaser lance, which appears to be attached to Deck 13 or 14.

I seem to recall that there was a bunch of stuff on the upper part of the saucer as well that took up much if not all of shuttle bay one.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

I seem to recall that there was a bunch of stuff on the upper part of the saucer as well that took up much if not all of shuttle bay one.

Possibly, there's certainly an additional superstructure on top of the Main Shuttlebay and the central nacelle strut also blocks Shuttlebays 2 & 3.

So while general internal volume might not be affect, shuttle-launching capacity definately is.

 

[Timo]

Possibly so. Then again, the big Bay 1 door is not being blocked, and the third pylon features a honking big door-looking doodad at its stem (that's where the wiring goes in for blow shots) that should amply compensate for the loss of Bay 2 and Bay 3 doors...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Do you think HALO or even Iron Man-esque exoskelton/hard armor would be something that the troops on the Battleship would have access to? And what role (SpecOps, marines, armor, artillary...) would they replace vis-a-vis modern day?

 

[seth29]

Yeah both good points. I realised after I wrote it that I didn't even take into account that if the Dominion War had raged for twenty or so years like the Klingon War had then they probably would have been more like "Yesterday's Enterprise" anyway.

If the Dominion War had raged for twenty or so years, the Dominion would have been on Earth within year 3. In 2 years of open warfare, the Dominion captured a major space station, decimated the 7th Fleet with a loss of 88% of their forces, invaded and held Betazed at least for several months, attacked Earth, caused massive losses to the Klingon Empire and almost destabilized the Romulan Empire. All in two years. It cost thousands of ships and millions upon millions of lives to beat them back and then only because Odo convinced the Founder to surrender. Otherwise they would have launched a ground assault that would have caused even more casualties. The Federation should thank their lucky stars they weren't involved with the Dominion longer than they were.

 

[Ithekro]

Without the Founder's sickness, I imagine the war would have become a long stalemate across the Cardassian border with offensives every six months to a year as the production of new Jem'Hadar came out to combat the Federation Alliance. As long as the Dominion had the resources to grow more clones, build more ships of their own designs (rather than Cardassian designs) and keep their troops loyal and healthy with the White, they could continue to fight. If the Cardassians were not as poorly treated due to the Founder's growing irrational nature (due to the illness) they war might have just kept going for years and years. Without more troops and ships from the Gamma Quadrant, the Dominion in the Alpha Quadrant would eventually have a hard time maintaining its offensive abilities, but the Cardassian Union would become a massive set of fortress worlds that the Federation would pay dearly to take from the Dominion. All the Founder would have to do is either wait out a solution to the wormhole problem, or wait for ships to come the long way to crush the Federation.

 

[somebuddyX]

I'm curious whether Mirror Broken is going to/has used some elements of Yesterday's Enterprise and All Good Things in it's design/aesthetic.