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Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion

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I'm not saying you have to admit it wasn't very good. I mean you have to accept that other people can think it wasn't very good. You can think it was great. You're reading my comments wrong.

I loved X-men. I don't care if other people might say it's awful.


EDIT: English isn't my first language, so that might be it.
 
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I suffered through to the end of both Thor:TDW and BvsS, but I knew at the end of one of them that it had some intriguing if not well-executed ideas, some pretty good acting overall (even if actors under-utilised) and a few great action sequences. The other I knew I had no desire to ever watch again :) (and haven't)
 
Set Harth said:
What makes it a bad movie?
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The plot, especially Magneto's plan, is pretty ridiculous, from what I remember. Also the acting from certain characters can be hit and miss and other than Magneto, the villains are very... one dimensional? But I still dig it. I admit others can say its worse than the latest trilogy's take.

Everyone has different perspectives and opinions on things. One person can look at Citizen Kane and think its the most brilliant thing ever put on film. When I had to watch it for class, I was mostly bored. It was well shot., but I found the history behind the making of the film much more interesting.


EDIT: Like, I really, really loved 10 Cloverfield Lane, because it made me so involved in what was happening on screen I lost track of time. When I saw Age of Ultron, I kept almost wishing it would hurry up and get to the finale.
 
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The story purpose of the bat armor is hilarious. Snyder said the armor was made with the idea of Batman fighting an escaped bear.

Seriously
 
JoeZhang said:
It occurs to me that for all my problems with it, it's one of the few Superhero films that represents a 'here and now' sensibility and actually has something to say (even if I don't entirely agree with everything it says) - this is what a Clark Kent raised in the 1980s and 1990s would actually be like, this is what the media business is like etc.
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We're talking about a movie in which the newspaper's chief editor says "Clark - you're on sports today!", right? That line must surely have come from this celebrated Hollywood scribe. :rommie:

Set Harth said:
...That just means other people are doing it too. I wasn't trying to imply that your point of view is some special, unique snowflake.
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... It means mainstream movie critics have panned Snyder's movies from the start, and over-praised MCU movies, and now panned BvS in order to be hyperbolic and stick it to Snyder?

The San Francisco Chronicle's Mick Lasalle liked MoS a lot more than I did, but here's a sampling of his BvS review:

“Batman v Superman” is an insanely long and convoluted action movie, made worse by an air of importance. It’s dispiriting and visually bland. A few years ago, director Zack Snyder was the hope of the action genre, whose films “Watchmen” and “300” were intuitive, striking and psychologically penetrating. But here he settles for making something typical, but in a bigger and more ponderous way.
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“Batman v Superman” — the subtitle is “Dawn of Justice” — is slow getting started, setting out a number of plotlines. Basically, Lex Luthor is the villain, but because of press reports, Superman and Batman develop a negative impression of each other. Movies based on misunderstandings tend to be more frustrating than entertaining. There are few things less interesting than watching people carry on stupidly, when everything would be fine if they’d only talk for five minutes. It’s even worse when the two participants are supposed to be moral paragons.

... Anti-Snyder hyperbole?
 
Lex: "No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fists and abominations..."

Am I the only one reading "...and no one else should have the chance to be delivered from that either because I wasn't!" into that recitation of Lex's motives?
 
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The story purpose of the bat armor is hilarious. Snyder said the armor was made with the idea of Batman fighting an escaped bear.

Seriously
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Anyone can kill a bear. Have him actually exterminate all cochroaches on Earth, permanently. That, I'll be impressed by.
 
I enjoyed BvS fine and won't deny that Marvel has its formula that it follows. But the idea that the maker of 300, Sucker Punch and Legends of the Guardian makes 'real' movies while Shane Black, Jon Favreau, Joss Whedon and Kenneth frigging Branagh don't, is just ludicrous.
 
Does anyone think we might see Batman in the movie universe following more the Arkham Knight characterization and story? Because his fighting style here, the willingness to 'get the job done', seems more in line with that than with the Batman from the comics I've been reading. They could use the dead Robin/tortured by Joker instead of UtRH dead Robin and Batman killing isn't quite as shocking in that universe.
 
Captaindemotion said:
I enjoyed BvS fine and won't deny that Marvel has its formula that it follows. But the idea that the maker of 300, Sucker Punch and Legends of the Guardian makes 'real' movies while Shane Black, Jon Favreau, Joss Whedon and Kenneth frigging Branagh don't, is just ludicrous.
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Sure they do. Just not for Marvel.

Whedon had some success at injecting a POV into his first Avengers movie, but appears to have been pretty thoroughly disabused of the mistaken notion that the movie's enormous success had bought him any creative leverage against the house on the second. Branagh - puh-lease. Thor could have been directed by anyone in the DGA. The Thor movies in particular are yard goods.

Snyder not only takes what he does seriously - as do many of the Marvel directors - he's generally permitted to express himself by the people who hire him. Possibly even encouraged. For the most part, not true at Marvel.

I think one of the reasons that the first Captain America remains my favorite of the Marvel movies is that even with all the studio requirements shoveled on to it the film is recognizable as the work of the guy who made The Rocketeer and October Sky.
 
A period piece Superman with the Rocketeer director would be a movie I'd happily watch (though it won't ever happen). I'm fine with current crop though and look forward to more. But Superman, James Bond, and Batman would all be great as period movies.
 
I'd love a period Superman.

Hell, I'd love a second WWII-era Captain America. Maybe even one with Nazis in it. ;)
 
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